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All the anime images on TVTropes pages.
I mean, Christ, is the best picture to exemplify "these are tropes about butts" really a picture of an underage-looking chick's ass crack from an obscure anime that most people couldn't even pronounce? Come on. This kinda crap is all over TVTropes, and there's also the same deal with pony-related pictures to a much lesser extent.
Hell, it's not even the fact that they use anime for a lot of things, but the fact it's always completely obscure shit that nobody has ever heard of. I wouldn't put up a still frame from an obscure 1950s Italian neorealism film as a trope example, why would an obscure anime get a free pass?
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Yeah. Fuck that noise.
Why should a work's medium or popularity have anything to do with whether the picture is suitable?
Beyond The Lampshade's that way.
Because when you're writing what is supposed to be an encyclopedia about elements of media, it'd be far more helpful to use examples from works people already know about, so it becomes easier for things to be associated with him and allow easy understanding.
That's where we have Fan Myopia, be it one side of the fence, or another.
I don't mind these issues being discussed here, for what it's worth.
@TravisBickle: wouldn't it actually be a better idea to have images from obscure series? Because (1) you're less likely to confuse the trope with the context of the image (assuming that the image is properly chosen to be demonstrative of the trope itself), and (2) you might actually be introduced to a new series that way.
@TravisBickle: Well, fair enough, if there's an especially iconic image that can be used, by all means it should be, but let's be honest, if it were an image from some obscure American TV show you wouldn't even care. Also plenty of people who go on TV Tropes are anime fans and quite possibly are familiar with the example in question (if it's from NGE or Haruhi or something) even if you aren't.
Hm, after some googling to figure out what you were talking about, it looks like that particular image was picked to make a bad pun.
Thus, medium debates aside, I'm opposed to it on principle.
As for images in general, how well known a work is isn't even supposed to be a criterion in images on TV Tropes. It's all about what shows the trope best (which that image isn't especially great for either).
Eh, a pun's as good a reason as any to pick an image if the criteria for an appropriate image boil down entirely to "someone's ass".
Really, that page probably shouldn't even have a picture.
Possibly, but there's really only a limited number of tropes that could be portrayed that way, just physical description ones. Any kind of character/personality/etc ones, ie the most important parts of any fiction are quite poorly shown in a single picture, without the audience having an existing understanding of the context that the picture takes place in.
Uhhh, sure, whatever you say. I totally didn't address that it's not the fact that anime is being used, but the fact that anime is far too over represented for an all-media inclusive Wiki, and that there's far too obscure examples being used because I wouldn't use obscure western ones. I just hate anime so much I wish America would go and bomb Japan more times.
Also, using NGE would be pretty fine I think, it's a pretty well known series among older viewers and has been seen by more people than just "anime fans". Same goes for stuff like Cowboy Bebop or Akira.
If your problem is that animé is over-represented, then that can only be solved if you get a lot of fans of other media onto the site. Right now, if animé is over-represented then it's because there are a lot of animé fans on the site.
We need more example pictures from classic 60's film. Just saying.
Actually, if the wiki's readers need to be familiar with the source of the picture, then said image doesn't work. Image Pickin' threads have had a lot of "motion to pull. I only know this image was relevant because I watched the show. The character is an example, but the image does not actually show them acting that way". Basically, an image needs to show "this is a character doing X" instead of "this is a character who sometimes does X, but the image doesn't show him doing so".
this man should be an admin.
@TravisBickle:
Eh, fair enough, I apologize. Most of the time when I see people complaining about this it's just because they don't like anime. Your second paragraph hadn't been edited in when I posted.
I think Naas_H_Sapiens makes a good point, the reasons that some may use for keeping character-named tropes and such do not really apply for choosing images. If I remember correctly, sometimes images that come from works that do not use a trope are also actually allowed if they illustrate it. In any event, I am not really an expert on Image Pickin' so I could be wrong on that I suppose.
That being said, I feel like choosing images is inherently going to be subject to fan myopia, especially since unlike examples there is usually only one picture on a page if any. Basically, I think it is a lot easier to balance out the number of japanimation and mango examples with ones from other mediums on a single page than it is to do the same with pictures.
I do agree that pictures and examples from the aforementioned mediums are probably over-represented on TV Tropes pages, but I think that Glennmagusharvey's suggestion of bringing fans of other media over seems to be only potential feasible solution to that problem and even then I am not sure it is really that likely to happen.
Do you see this?
This is where the people who care live.
Even though I'm much closer to the animé fandom, I would love to see more examples from other genres, such as 60s films. As long as they fit, of course.
60s films are not a genre, silly glenn.
and neither is anime, actually.
Aww, someone feeling perse-wersecuted by the ani-wanime pictures? Lemme get you a juice box.
"IJBM: TVTropes likes anime."
No shit.
IJBM: People apparently care about TvT's legitimacy at this stage.
Yeaaah, TvTropes really has an overabundance of anime fans that refuse to change certain trope names or pictures to non-anime related things. That is one of many problems it has. Also don't find the "Nuke Japan again" joke funny at all. Very tasteless.
I have yet to see any reason why they should. (Well, the names, yes, if they're opaque to people who don't get the reference, but that's hardly unique to anime-related names and honestly most of the really bad ones have been changed.)
Anime is lame.
Because for a site supposedly dedicated to analyzing entertainment and art, that balance is skewed so, so far in favor of obscure anime that a very small fraction of the internet has even heard of (well, at least the half of it not local to said anime that will actually be familiar with the site). I mean really, Negima had to be split into eight different main pages, and almost every one of them is longer than the pages for rather more significant things. Fuck, the Negima Ship Tease page is about as long as those.
The image thing is just indicative of having some pretty skewed priorities overall.
And that's terrible.
No, seriously. That is terrible. I don't know how some people even consider it to be a serious site that helps with writing when the wiki is anything but.
I just use it for some small tidbits of trivia and that's it.
^Which is all anyone should ever use it for. A collation of pop culture and random shit.
@Bee: Inherent flaw of the wiki model, no different from how Wikipedia has pages on individual episodes of Star Trek that are the same length as pages on important things. People make pages for what they like. TV Tropes, for its part, doesn't really try to be anything beyond that, so it's pretty silly to say it has "skewed priorities". No, it has different priorities from yours.
@Lai: The fact that there are lots of things about anime has little if anything to do with whether it's a serious site that helps with writing (it largely isn't, but that's beside the point). The work pages exist to provide examples of the tropes. That is how the site functions. A lot of those examples are from anime because a lot of people who contribute like anime. They should be praised for actually contributing rather than being criticized for not liking the same things you do. I've made work pages; it's a pain in the ass to make them not suck.
Level something with me: how does one reconcile one's enjoyment of anime with stuff like this?
'Cause the message I'm getting is to never watch it again and to read nothing but the classics forever.