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The US approved that whole indefinite detainment without rights law

IcalasariIcalasari
edited 2011-12-04 01:42:18 in General
No rainbow star
Wow. Just... Wow...

Comments

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    D:<
  • BastionBastion
    smote
    Well, that's horrifying.
  • DonZabuDonZabu
    Well, game over.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    The Supreme Court will strike it down. There's really no Constitutional basis for this power. And I'm pissed that there are Republicans who opposed the Udall Amendment. 
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^Fair points, but once something like that reaches the point where they even have to, something's gone horribly wrong.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Not satisfied with doing it to other countries we clearly need to turn to our own.
  • HatterHatter
    Glaives are better.
    It's sad, but you never could expect either of the non-Judicial branches to understand the Constitution. That shit goes back to before Andrew Jackson.
  • captainbrasscaptainbrass

    This sounds bad, but there looks to be a strong element of electoral posturing here. If the President doesn't veto this, it will very likely run foul of the Courts, as people have said.


    The really worrying thing here is yet further evidence of how crazy the Republican Party is and how dipshit some of their voters are. American participation in Iraq is over, in Aghanistan it's winding down, Al Qaeda is basically finished as a coherent organisation, but people in Iowa still think they're at war because it said so on the telly 10 years ago. 

  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ^^ inb4 "now let him enforce it!"
  • All NinesAll Nines
    edited 2011-12-04 10:44:55
    Has friends besides tanks now
    Hm. Well, I suppose this doesn't surp--

    >Only 7 senators opposed the bill

    Welp, time to start looking at Canadian colleges.

    Not that I expect this bill to pass, with the President and the Supreme Court in the way, but man, fuck our Senate, and fuck the populace that would condone this.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Which seven?
  • All NinesAll Nines
    Has friends besides tanks now
    I saw in a comment that Rand Paul was one of them, whoever he is. Good on him.
  • SaigyoujiSaigyouji
    But you never had any to begin with.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-12-04 11:36:41
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Oh, here we go.

    Nays are:
    Tom Harkin (D-IA)
    Rand Paul (R-KY)
    Tom Coburn (R-OK)
    Jeff Merkley (D-OR)
    Ron Wyden (D-OR)
    Mike Lee (R-UT)
    Bernie Sanders (I/D-VT)

    What a weird collection of individuals.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Huh, I didn't expect republicans in there. 
  • NyktosNyktos
    a little muffled
    @Hatter: The constitution has absolutely nothing to do with this. This wouldn't be the slightest bit less horrible even if the constitution specifically authorized it.

    @Juan_Carlos: I'd imagine they're more of the paranoid libertarian type Republicans.
  • RaddRadd
    Has it passed through the House yet?
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-12-04 12:29:02
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Tom Harkin I don't know much about, but he's been a pretty decent Dem senator for a while now.

    Rand Paul has been more of a jackass and less respecting of civil libertarianism than his dad Ron Paul has.  That said, at least he is showing a bit more of the Paul tradition.

    Tom Coburn is well known for having a method to his madness.  He's surprisingly sane and principled considering some of his crazy ideological stuff.  For example, he actually supported raising taxes in the course of these debt-ceiling/budget debates, if I recall correctly.  Or at least he was open to the idea, saying that it was the only good way to do things along with a bunch of budget-cutting measures.

    The two Oregon senators, Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley, well I guess they're pretty nice people.  Wyden's been holding up SOPA as well.

    Mike Lee I really don't know about.  He's a froshling senator from Utah, and he has an even more generic name than does his predecessor Bob Bennett.

    Bernie Sanders is an indie from Vermont who caucuses with the Dems.  He is also a self-proclaimed socialist.

    Also, complete list of votes is here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218
  • BeeBee
    edited 2011-12-05 00:44:05
    I have never been more proud of my state at least.  As many issues as I have with Wyden and Merkley I want to hug them for trying to stop this one.

    ^ I think you mean Wyden's been holding up against SOPA.

    EDIT: Oh, you meant holding it up as in stalling it, not supporting.  Right, sorry.

    It's not exactly accurate to say this has happened before in so many words.  I mean yeah there was Adams and the Sedition Act, but that was passed by a single party specifically to silence the other one so they could ram legislation through.  This kind of nigh-on unanimous bilateral support is downright fucking terrifying.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    edited 2011-12-05 09:55:05
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > I mean yeah there was Adams and the Sedition Act, but that was passed by
    a single party specifically to silence the other one so they could ram
    legislation through.

    I see the tea-partiers are serious about going back to the days of the founding fathers.

    Also, you mean Alien and Sedition Act.
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