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understand. Even "Nudge Nudge" is not that hard to figure out.
That, and both of these phrases, as well as "nudge nudge wink wink", can also be used in fiction to refer to describe person A trying to dog-whistle something completely non-sexual (and often non-humorous too) to person B. Which is not the trope.
On that note, something similar would apply to Incredibly Lame Pun.
{{Pun}} ought to just be its own trope.
IncrediblyLamePun should be a YMMV about bad puns.
Not all memes get mutated. Those that do are mutated by different amounts.
There should be an article for "meme" itself. And then the article for MemeticMutation ought to be about the PROCESS by which memes are mutated and adapted to other contexts.
Example of a meme that has little or no mutation: "Zerg Rush kekekekekekeke". Rarely spotted outside of references to Starcraft, especially South Korean players, if not, almost always within the realm of real-time strategy games.
In contrast, the whole YTP phenomenon is basically like RNA-based mutagenicity on steroids.
This is one that I am working on, and where my talking about rename debates comes from: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1297837054093560100&page=1
Actually, Incredibly Lame Pun started off as nothing more than a place to pothole puns to, but it's since mutated to that trope. The proposed solution is to make a new "exampleless pothole-only page", and since doing the thing you did before never causes the problem to repeat itself, everything is solved forever.
The phrase "double entendre" isn't exclusively for sexual or humorous things either, though. All three are ways of saying "double meaning" with, I think, roughly the same degree of sexual connotation.
Well I'm in a rename/split/redefine/revise debate right now, and I'm recalling the rename battles I fought in early 2009 over a number of tropes, the now-infamous "nakama" included.
I guess the fact that I was not really reading TRS back then likely explains why I have a different impression of it than you do. It is probably better if I mostly defer to you here anyway since you seem to have more experience with this subject than I do.
Still, I think Elbeem brings up a good point about how the old guidelines encouraged opposition to renames. Even then, I feel like there are legitimate reasons to discourage the renaming of tropes that seem to be "working." Tropes that have a ton of usage also have a bunch of wicks, so if one wants a rename, someone (or some group of people) are going to need to move all of those wicks.
or exchange and mutating it into something different. Sadly, it has
become basically "Memes". We thought about fixing it, but we decided to
roll with it. So yeah, technically, there's no misuse there.
Yeah, see, I'd like to see this fixed.
Damnit, you people are giving me more ideas.
> The phrase "double entendre" isn't exclusively for sexual or humorous
things either, though. All three are ways of saying "double meaning"
with, I think, roughly the same degree of sexual connotation.
Typically the phrase "double entendre" implies the implication of sexuality*; it's rarely used to mean a situation with a secondary meaning that's not sexual. Here's a situation where intent becomes an important point:
* double meaning: the general term.
* double entendre: a lightly-hidden secondary meaning that at least some (if not all) audience members are expected to get; this secondary meaning is usually sexual in nature (in contrast to a non-sexual primary meaning)
* dog-whistling: use of a seemingly not very meaningful figure of speech, that only some audience members are expected to get; especially when used in a political context
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* Yo dawg, I heard you like double entendres, so I put a double entendre into your double entendre. You'll be seeing more double entendres in the future, if you know what I mean.
Something else that bugs me. How come nobody can make a bot to edit all the wicks after a rename? There's quite a number of those things on Wikipedia.
Something else that bugs me. How come nobody can make a bot to edit all the wicks after a rename? There's quite a number of those things on Wikipedia.
I think that is a really good question. From what I hear some renames actually have been put into place automatically using something like that before, but I do not think it is the normal procedure. I wonder if part of the issue is just how TV Tropes is coded. In any event, I think something like that would definitely save time, especially for the namespace wick moves (i.e. moving every works page from main/Work to the appropriate film/, anime/, VideoGame/, WesternAnimation/ etc. namespace).
If you would like, I could make a thread in Wiki Talk or Tech Wishlist about it or you could do the same.
All in all it seemed like it was more trouble than it's worth.
I think it can be done by Eddie, but the few times he's used it the results ended up looking terrible due to the new name not grammatically fitting in sentences the same way the old names did, which means that people were forced to go wick by wick to review and correct the various links regardless.
All in all it seemed like it was more trouble than it's worth.
I guess that really is an issue for normal rename and such, but what about wick moves that simply move things from the main to a media namespace? I feel like those would not really run into many of the problems you mentioned (except for works that have multiple different types of media that need to be sorted out I guess).