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When people I like get temp-banned...

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  • edited 2011-10-28 03:20:55
    You can change. You can.
    no wait this is dumb. 
  • Which glosses over the fact that such people create little monkeyspheres of like-minded individuals in order to not change.
  • You can change. You can.
    But don't we all do that? Sure, it's way more blatant over the internet, but you don't hang out with people who actively disapprove of who you are, do you?
  • Can I interpret your 'adapting' as keeping certain aspects of yourself under wraps for functional purposes? Because I do hang out with people(can't really avoid them) who know I loathe every fiber of their personality, and I voice it in a way that inevitably filters through to them through mutual friends. Vice versa, it's the same. We act polite towards each other, but that's it.


    The little monkeysphere could be something like your closest friends. People whom you go to in order to vent and mock others, knowing that they share most of your ideas. It's a bad coping mechanism, but if you don't desire to change those aspects of yourself because you do not find it necessary, is it equal to the much-reviled hugbox mentality on the internets? 

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Dude.

    You have a seriously fucked-up idea of how human relationships work.
  • Good thing then that most of this sort of pie-in-the-sky navel-gazing is heavily dependent on mood, selective memory and recent experiences. Ask me again in a week and I'll probably sophistize a whole different story.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    You just said you actively spend time with people you despise and who despise you back. 

    I will enjoy hearing you make that sound intelligent next week.
  • edited 2011-10-28 03:50:58
    You can change. You can.
    The adapting thing was more based around Nyarly's comment, where he implictly disapproved about the idea of sohowing sympathy towards people who need it. I edited out because even I realized that's a dumb concept.

    Well, I ain't gonna lie. What you say sorta describes how most people live. Yes, you gotta deal with that asshole colleague who you don't like because he's...a, well, asshole. And there's nothing you can do about it, but I said "hang out". AKA: The meetings you assist to not because of social expectations and obligations, such as family reunions or friend's weddings and all that shit, but the little things, like going out with a couple of friends to watch a movie or hanging out at a friend's house to drink a coupla beers. Shit like that

    The little monkeysphere could be something like your closest friends. People whom you go to in order to vent and mock others, knowing that they share most of your ideas. It's a bad coping mechanism, but if you don't desire to change those aspects of yourself because you do not find it necessary, is it equal to the much-reviled hugbox mentality on the internets? 

    So you're saying that just because you don't see the necessity in change, then it's not necessary to do so?
  • edited 2011-10-28 03:54:43
    Diet NEET

    ^You can add mutual friends/flings of friends to the list of obligations. And, no, it is eventually necessary to try to wrinkle that aspect out, but it's at the bottom of a list of more practical skills.


    Same frat, same committee. They're emo, I'm low on empathy and patience(in short, a bit of a douchebag). Much as I'd rather not have to deal with them fussing over small stuff, we still function as a whole and I'm not giving up the privilege of cleaning up vomit after parties.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I had a closeknit group of friends who always drank underage almost every weekend and not once... not once did a single one of us have to clean up another person's vomit.

    So maybe I'm saying your worldview is flawed.

    Maybe I'm saying you're a spineless passive aggressive apologist for the bullshit you're putting up with while attacking people who have found a comfort zone on the internet.

    Your choice.
  • edited 2011-10-28 04:00:23
    Diet NEET

    Ouch, I needed that. As for the cleaning-up part, that's not so much me putting up with bullshit as well as part of the committee's task. We fine the vomiters, of course, but that doesn't change they're not sober enough to mop it up themselves.


    Anyway, shall we take this to PMs since it sounds personal-attacky and I hate to have this discussion locked?

  • edited 2011-10-28 04:10:40
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    "Ouch, I needed that"

    You really did.

    Quite frankly if someone is so immature that they can't control their drinking themselves so sick that the toilet isn't an option they don't belong in college in the  first place and have much deeper problems than any social issues regarding having forums where they feel like they won't be attacked and if you put up with that shit so do you.
  • You can change. You can.
    These posts are getting thumped~

    I'd argue they shouldn't, though. I find this discussion very enlightening and less drama heavy than most discussions in here. Of course, I ain't a mod and my judgement is worth jackshit.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Honestly, if this thread got thumped a minute ago I would have been more embarrassed by my misuse of 'their' than anything else.
  • This derail is fussy and useless, so I'll clarify. The example in question confuses the fact that I put up with people I despise because I'm in the same committee as them(which eliminates at least a bit of the voluntary part-the pros of organizing stuff outweigh the cons of the emo spells of some of its members and the nastier parts of the clean-up) with hanging out with people I despise just to have something to talk about behind their backs, and the vomit part is entirely unrelated(the frat gets plenty of freshers who are getting to grips with their drinking, most of the clean-up of vomit takes place in the toilet area anyway and this is unrelated to the issue at hand).


    Anyhow, not to go meta again, but this is an example of why in my experience netizens are much better off with a dopeslap and a succinct summary of what their issue is(which is in my opinion armchair psychology under another name), than with careful advice and a supplement of virtual hugs. It is much easier to avert self-justifying(do tell me if I'm doing this now, but don't use it to dismiss everything I post from this point on out of hand based on it) nonsense, and it either forces the person to face facts(provided they don't immediately turn it into a smug-asshole-whatcha-gonna-do-about-it routine, or worse, a yes-I-agree-with-everything-I'm-a-terrible-person flip-flop) or blow up to such proportions that they abandon the forum.


    Because in all honesty, this dopeslap is going to be relativized with the same situation/context/etc.-notion that has been employed as a counter against my generalizations. It isn't the single defining feature of how I act in social situations(for seconds, we also have wordy sophistry), depends on mood which depends on sleep patterns and homeworkload, blablabla. And why-don't-you-work-on-changing-yourself? Such a thing will happen anyway, and as arrested as I am, I've gradually grown out of different brands of bullshit(woe-is-me emoness, blind activism, victimblaming bullying-though the attitude displayed here is still an offshoot of the latter) gradually instead of epiphany/confrontation-based, so I have fair reason to assume that it won't be any different now either.


    Tl;DR Fuck, I love talking about myself. Now I see why certain other users constantly try to make threads go about them instead of the topic.

  • edited 2011-10-28 06:55:39
    Clean your room little Billy

    I dunno man, some of the internet people you get don't need armchair psychology so much as they need a good doxxing and a group of nearby volunteers to give them some 'percussive' therapy/lolinternettoughguy


    More seriously, I'd agree with armchair psychology more if practitioners weren't 1. usually riding high on wiki binging and an overestimation of their own abilities and 2. not actually concerned with the other person's problems and more with how their lifestyle and worldview isn't what the e-doc shares, and therefore must be destroyed.

  • AHRAHR
    edited 2011-10-28 07:08:13
    I like to think I like the forums, but then people go all self-righteously rude, and it scares me. ._.

    --is scared--

    As for the temp ban thing, YAY! Counterclock!
  • No rainbow star
    Whee aggressive discussion!
  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    I like to think I like the forums, but then people go all self-righteously rude, and it scares me. ._.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I've been trying armchair psych lately, actually.  Out of necessity, in fact.  Because there's a certain currently permabanned user who makes for a hard time being convinced to seek professional help.  Have told him many times that he needs to find someone who can actually help him.  Seems to be a good person at heart, but has major social problems, such as not getting hints and knowing when to stop.

    I think perhaps I have more of a heart than the average internet user, even around here, so I'm kinda soft toward people.  That and I want to make sure that everything is done by the book as much as possible so as to minimize drama and hard feelings when we do have to ban or otherwise use mod actions on people.  I do sometimes openly say I'm sorry about a ban, but it had to be done, because the behavior was inexcusable.
  • edited 2011-10-28 10:59:21
    Has friends besides tanks now
    Not to sound like little Ms. Sunshine who thinks people shouldn't ever have to deal with criticism, but I think some of the behavior seen in this thread is unacceptable, and (granted, I'm not perfect in this regard, especially midway through my stay at TVTropes) I wonder how people can look at what they've typed and say "yes, these are the words I wish to use when dealing with this person". There are better ways to say what has been said here, and while I'm glad there's no real animosity this time, it's really bothersome reading that sort of thing.
  • Sigh..
  • edited 2011-10-28 16:34:13
    "and well, you never know what people need, really. I do think that it's a lot better to, you know, provide advice, rather than just mindless gushing and comfort, but I'd say that sometimes what you need is comfort and gushing.

    It's all situational, really."

    True. I personally tend to hate comforting attempts without advice most of the time, but I know that sometimes, they do help feel people feel better and thus more capable of dealing with their situation. It's just that I find things like [*hugs*] so generic that they almost seem insincere. I'd think that it would be much more meaningful if the advice or comfort took into account the person and their situation, since nothing says "I care" than showing that you actually listened.

    Also, I take issue to people give sympathy to obvious attention whores, which is why I've been led to view it with such scrutiny. I am baffled when people don't realize that the person is simply feeding off their words without actually doing anything about their situation, again, and again, and again, each time more comfortable that they will be validated in their unproductive whining and narcissism.

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