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Shmups are boring if you suck at them

edited 2011-10-04 13:48:11 in Media
Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
If you're not good at a shmup, it becomes boring.  Well, more specifically, it becomes frustrating, then quickly boring.  It seems that the genre isn't really built for casuals and newbies, or at least they didn't design games specifically to cater to these groups.  At least, this applies to those shmups that I've played, including Guxt, Raiden/Raiden Trad, Parodius 1, the two SNES Parodius games, Phalanx, Darius Twin, and Super EDF, and Space Megaforce.

If you get to watch a good player however, these games make excellent spectator games, though.

(I know MoeDantes is going to go nuts over this post, but hey, he's presented his opinion so now I'll present mine.)
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  • I'm only into shmups for the cute characters, really.  Never really cared about the games themselves. >.>
  • edited 2011-10-04 14:01:01
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ...do you play Touhou?

    Or Parodius, possibly?

    I mean, where else would you find cute characters in shmups?
  • But you never had any to begin with.
    Yeah, the R-9A Arrowhead is totally adorable. Same goes for the Vic Viper and Silver Hawk! :P
  • edited 2011-10-04 14:03:59
    Touhou, yes.  Although the Vic Viper is a cute little spaceship, yes~  And... Whatever the R-Type ship was called (the R-Type?  I dunno) too~
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Okay, fine, yeah, Vic Viper's white and blue-border coloration is rather cute.
  • But you never had any to begin with.
    R-Type has many ships (101 as of the last shmup game in the series). The original is the R-9A Arrowhead.
  • edited 2011-10-04 14:07:40
    I mean, where else would you find cute characters in shmups?

    Here.


    Anyhow, shmups are one of these things I liked even when I sucked at them. And by shmups I mean Touhou..
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I might play a shmup if they had a K-on or Spice & Wolf one...
  • I suck at Touhou games too. >.>  Except for the Phantasmagoria games for some reason, but they're, uh, different from the rest of the series.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Do they at least have easy modes?
  • Yes, but it's only easy in comparison to the other difficulty levels. >.<
  • edited 2011-10-04 14:37:13
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    Well, I got into Touhou (the actual games) recently and I suck at SHMUPs but still like them. Like, a lot. In fact, I enjoy them more than I ever enjoyed a SHMUP. SHMUPs were merely a source of mild enjoyment before and I barely played any besides Parodius and Twinkle Star Sprites (and even those I didn't play often), but Touhou showed me that they can be really awesome. Apparently it only needs beautiful patterns and a fuckload of bullets.

    The only game in which I ever 1cc'd was Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream and even that only on easy mode. Still, they don't cease to be fun.
  • edited 2011-10-04 14:38:51
    I can only 1cc MoF on easy, and PoFV on easy and normal. >.>  PoDD, however, I have yet to conquer, due to Chiyuri being a horrid bitch monster of death. >.<

    And yet I still love her, if only because she has her belly button constantly exposed. >.>

    ...Oh wait, I forgot about IN.  I 1cc'd that on normal once.  Only once, but still...
  • But you never had any to begin with.
    Why do you keep capitalising shmup? :P
  • Likes cheesecake unironically.
    Do to it's nature as abbreviation, it would feel wrong not to capitalize it.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    But if anything it's a ShmUp.
  • edited 2011-10-04 17:55:23

    There are far cuter shmups than the Touhou series and Parodius.

    Anyway, everyone sucks at shmups at first, not everyone thinks they're boring though.  It's not so much that they're boring if you're bad at them as it is they're boring if you don't want to try to get good at them.  I suck at shmups, but they're like my second-favorite game genre.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I guess I just don't have the patience to slog through them repeatedly and learn their patterns, then.
  • Likes cheesecake unironically.
    There are far cuter shmups than the Touhou series and Parodius.

    The cutest one is probably Twinkle Star Sprites. Should I be wrong and there are ones that are even cuter than that, then... I'm not sure if I want to know. I like cute stuff, but even for me there is a line.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond

    (I know MoeDantes is going to go nuts over this post, but hey, he's presented his opinion


    I have?
  • BeeBee
    edited 2011-10-04 20:03:22
    I'm only into shmups for the cute characters, really.




    ♥♥♥  SO MOE  ♥♥♥



    Seriously though, practice and a steady hand do wonders.  For some of the more frenetic kinds, careful observation of pattern components is actually a good deal more important than your reflexes.
  • no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    As I said two posts up: "I have?"

    But well... actually I find shmup difficulty is one of the things that makes them compelling. They're not one of my favorite genres by a long shot, but they are a nice break from RPGs which hand everything to you on a silver platter.
  • But you never had any to begin with.
    but they are a nice break from RPGs which hand everything to you on a silver platter.

    I'm going to assume you haven't played the SMT games if you're saying that.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Or Demon's Souls, for that matter.
  • You can change. You can.
    Just say Atlus, doofuses.
  • But you never had any to begin with.
    Demon's Souls was produced by From Software, not Atlus. They just published it.
  • BeeBee
    edited 2011-10-04 22:38:04
    Technically even those games hand you stuff on a silver platter.  It's just a platter you have to do mindless repetitive tasks for hours for and it can explode in your face at any moment due to poor balance.

    Very little about even the most brutal RPG's is difficult, so much as tedious or needlessly luck-based  :| 
    I think Dullahan from Golden Sun was one of the only RPG bosses I really felt remotely proud of on account of making a solid plan and having the pre-planned capacity to deal with hiccups along the way, and even then the satisfaction came from two self-imposed challenges (no gamebreaking summon rushing, no grinding).

    Which is one of the reasons I enjoy well-done shmups.  I can sit back after something awesome and be able to say "Holy crap, I just did that!" without having to include qualifiers for good RNG rolls on enemy spawns, OHKO's, absurd status effects, and generally imbalanced crap.
  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!
    @Bee: And that's why Ikaruga is by far my favorite shmup.
  • edited 2011-10-04 22:31:23
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^^Um...have you actually played Demon's Souls?

    And even if you're just talking about Megaten, grinding is just a way to work around a segment you can't complete because you're not good at the game.

    Except for Devil Survivor, which admittedly is pretty badly-balanced.
  • You can change. You can.
    Demon's Souls was produced by From Software, not Atlus. They just published it.

    and they produced it because it's a difficult game

    see? logic
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