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I was helping my sister move into boarding school...

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  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    I wasn't actually reading Freud, I just wanted to mention him and that was the most aesthetically pleasing sentence to do it in.
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    I think the most aesthetically pleasing sentence for Freud would be one where you described lusting after your mother.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    I was actually about to go on a massive, surreal, and satirical tirade where I say the reason brothers are protective of their sisters is actually because they have a freudian incestuous want to have sex with their sisters. In addition, they want to be the first to "defile" their sisters, so they don't want any other boy to have sex with them first.

    Then I got lazy and dropped it.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    "satirical"

    satire: "the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc."

    ...

    I don't get it.

  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    Okay, if you want to get all semantical, then I guess it was more a parody.

    However, the tirade was satircal. It satired people who see sex into everything.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    There's this thing called "Retconning your previous statements as a parody so as not to seem stupid." You are doing it.
  • ChagenChagen
    edited 2011-09-12 20:25:14
    [tɕagɛn]
    Dude.

    THE THING WAS A PARODY THE WHOLE DAMN TIME

    I used "satircal" because people usually use that to mean anything mildly humourous poking-fun-at and I didn't think you guys would split hairs over the use of a single WORD
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    It comes off as egotistic when misapplied that way.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    I didn't think people would split hairs over it.

    And I have a big lexicon, but I don't always know how to use it correctly. 
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Yes, "parody" is such a big word.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    I meant "satirical". How was I supposed to know that it can't merely be used to denote a humorous thing that slightly pokes fun at something? That's what most people use it for.

    You're falling in Linguistic Prescriptivism. 
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    Most people are wrong then.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    edited 2011-09-12 20:33:46
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    Well, for starters there's the fact that many of the most famed satires of all time, such as Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, do not "slightly" poke fun at something.

    sat·ireNoun/ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/


    1. The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    > How was I supposed to know that it can't merely be used to denote a humorous thing that slightly pokes fun at something?

    Cos you study languages?
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    No.

    There is no correct way to use a word. If its meaning changes, it changes. You cannot avoid language change. It is inevitable.

    As an aspiring linguist, you are falling into Linguistic Prescriptivism, which is fundamentally wrong in our eyes. Languages change. You cannot hope to change that. Us linguists? We don't want to change that. We simply record language as it happens. 

    There is no right way to speak a language. You are like the grammarians who kept trying to alter English grammar solely because they thought Latin was better. They were wrong.
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    I'm sure I can find you somewhere saying the exact opposite thing in the past, but I'm not going to bother. I will ask, though, why having a set of rules for a language is a bad thing, and why people using a word incorrectly is a good thing. 
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    edited 2011-09-12 20:38:23
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^^
    However you can use the wrong word still.

    Otherwise this I could claim this sentence means 'I like cheese'.

    'Running death frustratingly in in in in hat.'
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2011-09-12 20:40:21

    "There is no correct way to use a word."

    Well that explains a lot, coming from the guy who thinks "literally" just means a big small problem.

  • ChagenChagen
    edited 2011-09-12 20:43:05
    [tɕagɛn]
    "I will ask, though, why having a set of rules for a language is a bad thing, and why people using a word incorrectly is a good thing."

    There are rules to languages. That's the grammar. But words just naturally change as time goes on. Sometimes in meaning, with "nice" changing from meaning "mean" to....well, "nice". "Fun" once meant exclusively sexual pleasure. And so on.

    And then sometimes the pronunciation changes: "wyf" becomes "wife", "kicken" becomes "chicken", "Ic" becomes "I", "thaet" becomes "that".

    Words just change. If the public uses a word one way majorly, then the meaning alters. Language is not a test. There are no wrong answers.

    Or should "nice" change to mean "mean, cruel" again? Or should we drop the progressive aspect from verbs; after all, it only came around after Shakespeare had written his plays. 

  • CrimsonCrimson
    Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!
    What happened to this topic?

    >Chagen.

    Oh, right.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    "Sometimes in meaning, with "nice" changing from meaning "mean" to....well, "nice". "Fun" once meant exclusively sexual pleasure. And so on."

    [citation needed]

  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    You do realize that this is mildly civilized debate right?
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    ""Sometimes in meaning, with "nice" changing from meaning "mean" to....well, "nice". "Fun" once meant exclusively sexual pleasure. And so on."

    [citation needed]"


    Look up "original meaning of nice" anywhere. You will get many links detailing it.
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Whilst language does evolve, the common current accepted definition of Satire was not the one you used.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    As for the nice thing:

    Notice the first, now obselete definition.

    "Whilst language does evolve, the common current accepted definition of Satire was not the one you used."

    I know, but most people do not make the distinction. There's even a trope for it. 
  • GLORIOUSLeaderGLORIOUSLeader
    When in Turkey, ROCK THE FUCK OUT
    I take offense to that.

    Keanu Reeves is fairly smart and well-spoken.
  • IanExMachinaIanExMachina
    edited 2011-09-12 20:49:53
    I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    ^^
    So they are going against the current common definition.
    Meaning that for now they and you were wrong.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]
    "So they are going against the current common definition.
    Meaning that for now they and you were wrong."

    Okay. What I meant is that, in normal everyday talk, most people fail to make the distinction between the three terms. This is a very laid-back forum. I did not expect someone to actually call me out on a minor word gaffe. This isn't a serious business meeting, after all.
  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    "I mean, Jesus, we really are failing as a nation in literacy if the word "excruciating" is considered a mark of intelligence."

    AH HA HA...aw screw it.

  • ChagenChagen
    edited 2011-09-12 20:54:56
    [tɕagɛn]
    I seriously wonder why you are there to disagree with me every step of the way.

    We clearly don't see eye-to-eye. 
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