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Comic book companies won't let go of their old characters

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  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    I spy a pedant.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    In an universe like DC, where the universe is nothing but tiny speck of dust, that seems hardly like a reasonable complaint.
  • BobBob
    Then you're admitting that, considering he is essentially nothing more than a spec of dust in the DC universe, it's stupid to argue over people hating him?
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    >Stupid to argue
    >Internet


  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Then you're admitting that, considering he is essentially nothing more than a spec of dust in the DC universe, it's stupid to argue over people hating him?

    Well, considering scales, by that logic, it's be stupid to argue over people hating you.
  • BobBob
    U mad. :3
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    OK, have you read a Superman story? An actually good one? Not one of those shitty stuff released during the 90s?


    I got a question, what exactly is wrong with 90s Superman?

    I'm not very versed in him... just wondering.

    Oh, it's aknowledged that Superman's (And western comics in general) quality is incredibly variable, don't get me wrong, but to deny 60 years worth of work simply because there are some bad quality works in there seems pretty lame.


    What if it's not "some are bad" but rather "most are bad" though? What then?

    And I know I said this already but I think it needs repeating:

    I should mention that if the logic behind this is that old characters never finish their story, then you're just not pissing on superheroes, then there's the big literature characters, like Dracula, Sherlock Holmes.


    Nonsense. Holmes ended at 56 short stories and 4 novellas. And Dracula got stabbed to death at the end of his one and only novel (spoiler warning).

    For that matter, Doraemon ended at 42 manga volumes, Astro Boy at around 22 IIRC, Lupin III only had two series of like 14 volumes each, and... actually, I'm not sure about Captain Harlock. So how you can claim that these things have gone on and on forever the exact same way Superman has, is a mystery (the guys fingering Bleach and Naruto have a point though.... at least, they will until the authors end them).
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I got a question, what exactly is wrong with 90s Superman?
    I'm not very versed in him... just wondering.

    You mean, aside from the most contrived death in the history in the story of fiction?

    Welp, here's your answer:

  • SchitzoSchitzo
    They're somethin' else.
    YOU'RE NOT ALEXANDER!
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    ^^I thought it wads pretty rad when I was eight.

    That along with KAINE, Spider-man's evil clone that used his sticky powers to rip off people's faces as THE MARK OF KAINE!

    ....Jesus Christ, the nineties...
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I'm keeping the redundancy in my post because it looks dumb and I don't care.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Hey, we got Steel and Hank Henshaw's revamp out of Superman's death.
  • MoeDantesMoeDantes
    no longer cuddly, but still Edmond
    Actually, I didn't think his "death" (one of the stories I am kinda versed in) was all that contrived--he basically dies from over-exertion, which is very plausible. I mean, once you get past the fact that Majin Buu apparently lived in an underground bunker nobody knew about (hey, less probable things have happened).

    His resurrection, however, could've used some work.

    ... And, could I have a response to the rest of my previous post? Please? Pretty please with sugar on top?
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-08 00:04:38
    You can change. You can.
    OTOH, we got steel and hank henshaw's out of Superman's death.

    Although I did like Superman Prime in the Sinestro Corps War. --shrug--

    Still, Rise of the Supermen is full of bleh to me.

    ^It's more the metafictional reasons what makes it contrived (AKA: DC just needed to make more money and shock)
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    The fight was pretty badass though, though the surrounding aspects could use work.

    It's nice to see that with this 'reboot' DC's actually pulling out more marketing with TV spots and wall ads and such, since the big two have had more of a marketing problem than anything else ever since the crash.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    I did love the fight. It has some amazing details and artwork which I throughly enjoyed (The reducing panel count was an interesting device)

    But again, I'd enjoy it a lot more if it wasn't so...ugh. I mean, what's the point in killing a character if you're not gonna have a reason for it beyond shocking the nation?
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    The media thinking he was totally dead for reals yo was so cute.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Was there even a precedent for a character coming back from the death in the 90s, though? I thought that Superman was the one who set the standard.
  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Er...you mean limiting it to US comic books, right?
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    edited 2011-09-08 00:20:07
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    ^^X-men, bro. X-men fucking loved doing faked deaths and revivals and all sorts of stuff.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    edited 2011-09-08 00:20:11
    You can change. You can.
    ^^ Duh.

    ^ sorry, forgot about Jean Grey.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    And Wolverine.

    And Magneto.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Did those happen before Supes' death?

    And people wonder why I'm not into X-Men (The other reason being "Fuck Claremont's prose")
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Yep.

    Magneto robot.

    I actually really like Claremont's run up until about the late eighties where he was just going crazier and crazier.

    As much good as he's done for the series (including pretty much saving them from obscurity) he's also the source of that franchise's problems.

    If there's a series that needs a reboot... >_>
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Oh, I like the plotpoints, but I feel that his dialogue is unreadable. Specially when Byrne goes away.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Bu-but! Wolverine!

    He's the best at what he does!

    and what he does.... isn't very nice.... ;_:
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    Fairly sure that line was Byrne's actually.
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Nope. It was in Wolverine #1: written by Claremont, drawn by Miller.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.
    but...byrne is the reason why Wolverine still exists. ;_;
  • MalkavianMalkavian
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!
    Yeah, but it's Claremont and Miller who gave the 'failed samurai' wolverine.

    Which is my favorite Wolverine.
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