Confederate flags

ClockworkUniverse · 2011-08-30 14:07:16

Yep, that's the one. We're working on improving it.

Scrye2 · 2011-08-30 16:37:12

^^^Fuck yeah it is. Especially when it's as harmless as that.

Icalasari · 2011-08-30 17:45:39

The flag looks pretty

LouieW · 2011-08-30 18:37:36

Scrye2,

I think that people have the right to fly the Confederate flag, sure, but I certainly would not support people doing it. I feel like the comparison to not having a gay-support bumper sticker in order to appease people who might be offended by that is not a very good one since accommodating people who are gay is arguably much more politically correct than insulting them.

Additionally, I think the symbolic effect of each action is much different. I agree that a gay-support bumper sticker might annoy someone, but so do a lot of bumper stickers (to be honest, I find bumper stickers to generally be too "in your face" for my liking so I would not mind if everyone suddenly stopped using them). Flying a Confederate flag on the other hand is an action that I think has a much more negative connotation for a greater number of people. That being said, I would not be a fan of people flying flags that advocating hating people who were gay either.

Scrye2 · 2011-08-31 03:35:09

You lost me at "politically correct"

CommandoDude · 2011-08-31 03:39:14

People should remember the Confederate flag for what it REALLY stood for. Southern Aggression against the North.

InsanityAddict · 2011-08-31 04:35:53

>Fly confederate flag & rainbow pride flag at the same time

>Maximum mindfuck

Gelzo · 2011-08-31 04:39:30

Homosexuals can be bigots. There's no shortage of examples in the right wing.

MadassAlex · 2011-08-31 04:44:43

Fuck yeah it is. Especially when it's as harmless as that.

Reminds me of one of the Crusades.

King Richard threw down the Austrian Count Leopold's banner after taking Acre (or Jerusalem, can't remember), seeing the raising of his banner as arrogance next to the banners of English and French kings. Leopold was totally pissed and withdrew military support because fuck Richard. While returning from the Crusade, Richard decided to sneak through Austria, disguised as a pilgrim returning from the Holy Lands.

Leopold was far too fucking smart for that asshole, however, and captured Richard, demanding twice England's yearly income in ransom. For this, the Church excommunicated Leopold. He didn't give a shit, and continued to hold Richard in custody. Then the Holy Roman Emperor found out about this and supported Leopold; how dare Richard cast down the Austrian banner? Austria was a superpower at that point as the political core of Germany, so fucking with that place was a really bad idea. Anyway, the Holy Roman Emperor was excommunicated, too. He didn't give a shit, and continued to hold Richard in custody.

Eventually, Richard gave up and sent word for the money to be moved to Germany at his own expense. That meant that if the money didn't arrive, Richard would be held accountable. It arrived, however, and almost bankrupted England. Because Richard just had to be a dick to his superpower ally.

I like that story.

Scrye2 · 2011-08-31 08:30:36

Ours was more of a case of the US Army had tried repeatedly prior to WWII to convince congress to get rid of the Marine Corps, after the Marines had earned an impressive success rate during the Monroe Doctrine era and WWI. When the Army finally made its way over to the Pacific, there were definitely some issues between the two branches. During the Battle of Okinawa, an entire Army Division (77th, I believe) was held off from taking Shuri Castle by the Japanese forces. So a Company of Marines went in and got the job done. When they were about to raise the flag, the CO of the Company (Alpha of 1/5, I believe) pulled out a Confederate flag that he'd been keeping inside his helmet and the Marines raised that instead as a way to piss off the Army guys, who had a damn good view of the castle. Alpha Company Marines then gave out a Rebel Yell, just to drive it home to the Army.

Chagen · 2011-09-01 14:29:54

I've never seen a Confederate Flag, even though I live in Texas. I'm still amazed that people actually still do it.

Gelzo · 2011-09-01 14:42:55

^^And that... made it so that the army grew to accept the marines?

MadassAlex · 2011-09-01 14:47:28

I have no idea, but I like how it's like the inverse of my story.

Scrye2 · 2011-09-02 04:50:29

^^Are you implying that that was our goal?

Gelzo · 2011-09-02 10:22:54

No, but I'm trying to see how it was anything besides detrimental.

Scrye2 · 2011-09-03 07:14:16

It pissed the Army off.

GLORIOUSLeader · 2011-09-03 11:11:02

Yes, because when you're invading a vitally, critically important base that could turn the tide of the war you're participating in, what you want to do is piss off and distract the guys on your side.

MillerCross · 2011-09-03 11:13:05

To be fair, they had already won.

To be more fair, pissing an army off is not something you wanna do. Specially when they're on your side. Sure, they can't backstab you cuz martial court, but they can take it to martial court themselves. Or just shit on your food.

Personal experience sorta speaking here.

MadassAlex · 2011-09-03 11:14:56

>Or just shit on your food.

>Personal experience sorta speaking here.

Gotta hear this one.

MillerCross · 2011-09-03 11:24:34

Welp, I didn't get the damaged goods, but I was in the nearest base cuz lolol military tramits in order to not get drafted. Anyway, it was just sorta hearsay, but we heard that that very day one of the privates was really mad and on kitchen duty. So he decided to do a little surprise.

Turned out to be a just a spit, from what other people told and it kinda snowballed from there.

(I decided to use the exaggerated version of the tale to make a point, 'K?)

MadassAlex · 2011-09-03 11:30:12

I laffed, so your horrible lies are forgiven.

Radd · 2011-09-03 12:25:11

The point is more "Fuck yeah, the South" and less "Fuck yeah, slavery".

MillerCross · 2011-09-03 12:28:24

Yeah, but what you're trying to say isn't always what you're saying

(Using the verb "say" as "what you're communicating" rather than simply as "stating")

Radd · 2011-09-03 12:33:32

Wait, but isn't that the problem of the people who don't know what it means.

Gelzo · 2011-09-03 12:38:26

Well it can cause problems for the people who are communicating it, and it can also be considered their fault for not anticipating a common interpretation.

But whoever's fault the miscommunication is isn't important if it happens. The important thing is that it happens at all.

MillerCross · 2011-09-03 12:40:07

^ Exactly. Sometimes it's better to be preventive and just avoid said miscommunication.

It's as if I'd start wearing a KKK uniform but only because it's some sort of ironic shit because I'm latin. It still doesn't look good. And it still would lead to misunderstandings.

Vivi · 2011-09-03 12:43:33

There was this one school where a teacher had her class parade down the halls in KKK uniforms, to prove some point. Can't remember why.

Gelzo · 2011-09-03 12:43:45

Might work out if you make the irony more blatant.

MillerCross · 2011-09-03 12:46:58

But there's no fun to blatant parody.

Scrye2 · 2011-09-03 14:18:32

1: The Marines had already taken the castle.
2: There was nothing the Army could do to us that they hadn't already done.
3: It was just a "fuck you" that needed to be said.
4: The Dukes of Hazard wouldn't have been nearly as good a show if the General Lee had a different paint job.

Edit: For all you Colombians: ("The Dukes of Hazard" was a tv show. It was good. It featured an awesome car. The car was called the General Lee. The car had a Confederate flag painted on its roof. If the car did not have the flag painted on the roof, the show would not be good. The show would be less good than it was before.)

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