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Defining swords and how subtle differences can be.

edited 2011-06-10 11:43:45 in General
One foot in front of the other, every day.
19th century historians had a lot to do with this, calling medieval and Renaissance weapons "broadswords" by definition when a broadsword is actually a single-edged, basket-hilted backsword that was only broad in comparison to rapiers. And today "longswords" are long-bladed, single-handed swords. Great swords are confused with Renaissance-era two-handers. Some games have "short swords", which aren't so much swords as largish daggers.

But the worst is when there's legitimate confusion over what a sword is.

Take, for instance, longswords. By the definitions of their time, they were two-handed, long-bladed swords that could be used in one-hand if you were strong in the wrist but were predominantly designed for two hands. Great swords are exactly the same in design, but have slightly longer blades and are significantly heavier without having much extra size, thus the nickname of "war swords". But larger longswords and smaller great swords are so similar that it is not often clear where the line is drawn.

This is relevant because the physical properties that are different in a longsword and a great sword will alter the way you fight. A longsword is faster on the recovery and redouble, but a great sword more effectively resists enemy strikes and pushes through enemy defenses. A sword in that middle-ground between longsword and great sword can make it difficult to judge which approach is best in any given bout, especially given the variety of adversaries one can meet (in hypothetical violent situations or regulated bouts).

And I don't do this sword thing on my own, so I have to work out how to most appropriately express these things when a dozen people might have differing standards on what constitutes what.

Why can't pieces of steel just be simple.
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  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    What types of straight swords are reasonably long but can be wielded with one hand?
  • As a petty and vindictive person, I have to take extra steps not to appear petty and vindictive.
    Rapiers, foils, gladii, spathas, katzbalgers, arming swords, cinquedeas, backswords, smallswords, side-swords, and schiavonas. And some more I'm forgeting.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Most swords, ever, are one-handed. BonSequitur pointed out most of the long-bladed single-handed swords, but you also get stuff like viking swords and Chinese jian, which are kind of remarkably similar.
  • edited 2011-06-10 16:35:48
    RE-ANIMATOR
    If its blade is longer than its handle and it is not a knife, then it is a sword. 
    That is all I care to know on the subject.
    I prefer spears personally. Probably just a Welsh thing. Wouldn't mind a claymore, but it is lower on my priority list than getting a really fancy Guan-Do.
  • As a petty and vindictive person, I have to take extra steps not to appear petty and vindictive.
    I"m excluding all of the one-handed blades that happen to be curved. Although there is plenty of variety on the two-handed field as well.
  • Curved blades for slashin.  Straight blades for hacking an stabbing. Amirite?
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Also straight blades for halfswording and blade-gripping. This way, a longsword, great sword or Renaissance two-hander can become a spear, pick or mace in a pinch.
  • As a petty and vindictive person, I have to take extra steps not to appear petty and vindictive.
    Except there are straight blades designed for slashing (Like the schiavona) and curved blades designed for hacking (Such as the cutlass) or piercing (Like the falx). There are of course a lot of exotic implements that challenge the definition of 'sword.'
  • Here's your definition: pointy end goes in the other guy.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Ah. Not true for non-thrusting weapons ^_^
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    Also, many swords have large or heavy pommels for blunt bit goes in other guy's face. Crossguards can be used for the same purpose. And even pointy swords are deadly in the cut, so pointy end goes in other guy is not always the best tactical application of a sword.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    As a matter of fact, sometimes it's rather worse. Any time they wear armour, for example, it's either half-swording (Slashing through chinks in armour) or crushing with the pommel.
  • One foot in front of the other, every day.
    That's the awesome thing about a longsword. It's also a short spear and two-handed mace in all functional respects.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I've got a better definition:
    * handle
    * sharp blade
    * pointy tip
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    What about the crossguard?
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Not necessary; some swords (such as katanas) don't have it.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Not all swords have a pointy tip, either. Look at executioner's swords.
  • edited 2011-06-11 11:25:04
    Tableflipper
    * Blade a lot longer than the handle (I don't care if there are things called swords with the handle being longer, I refuse to consider those swords d:)
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I tried searching for a sword without a cutting edge, but found nothing.

    OTOH, here are apparently swords without handles. Only true badasses wield them.
  • Aren't those just blades?
  • You can change. You can.
    Here's your definition: pointy end goes in the other guy.

    Ah. Not true for non-thrusting weapons ^_^

    Ummmm...maybe I'm utterly wrong (And I am. Swords are not my thing) but doesn't a slashing sword...um, like...slashes...with the pointy side?
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    Nope. The edges are blunted near the flat end.
  • You can change. You can.
    That was quick...too quick.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    SIDE, not end, Juan.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I was replying to Ed.
  • You can change. You can.
    Oh, OK.
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    But the ends are at the opposite side of the hilt.

    You have one end, you have the sides, then you have the other end.
  • edited 2011-06-11 11:50:09
    Tableflipper
    According to the Wikipedia article edges being blunted doesn't make a blade not a blade so...\

    Wait...I'm getting kind of confused. Image?
  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.
    I dunno. Look up "blade without a hilt" or sommat, I'm surprised I can still even see the laptop right now it's 3AM
  • Ram-Dao.
    All arguments about pointy ends and sharp edges are now void.
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