Communism vs. Capitalism

GLORIOUSLeader

Why can't they get along?

Forzare

BETTER DEAD THAN RED

snowbull

DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE

Chagen

Because they completely oppose each other?

Wasn't Marxism/Communism created directly as a criticism of Capitalism?

Forzare

GLORIOUSLeader

Also, IJBM that I can never tell the difference between governmental Communism and economic Communism.

CommandoDude

Stupid us vs them mentalities.

Anyone with a half a brain should be able to figure out that pure Communism is run by the powerful who control the wealth and that pure Capitalism is run by the wealthy who control the power.

Chagen

Pure Capitalism is Anarchy. It wouldn't work anywhere.

Tnu1138

I'm fond of Anarcho-capitalism and Anarcho-syndicalism myself mixing Voluntaryism with Mutualism is an ideal set of circomstnaces for me. State sponsored economy whether it be state capitalism (or crony) or state socialism or whatever just creates trouble.

GLORIOUSLeader

Anarcho-syndicalism

Tnu1138

Meh who cares what some old woman says.

glennmagusharvey

> BETTER DEAD THAN RED

LOL REDSTATE

Tnu1138

woudln't that be kind of Ironic as a Republican slogan?

glennmagusharvey

I've been implicitly enjoying the irony of the color red being used to represent the Republican Party for years now.

Tnu1138

I'm just sick of Republicans ruining the word republican for republicans.

Khwarizmi

Pure capitalism is anarcho-capitalism, not anarchy.  Anarchy means the absence of a hierarchy; hierarchies will inevitably form in an unchecked free market with no government to make and enforce laws, with the wealthiest individuals seizing power and forming a night watchman state ruled purely by force.

CommandoDude

^ Exactly.

I just gave the Laconic version.

Tnu1138

So it's impossible to not have a state ruled b y force? Then what's the point of society if you must conform to an oppresisve state?

Khwarizmi

Society is kind of inevitable unless you want to go out and be a hermit in the wilderness.

Tnu1138

if it's conform or be primitive if anarcho-pirmitivism is the only means of freedom why bo ther iwth life. Why bother with life when you can not have liberty?

GLORIOUSLeader

Ooh, here's a new one: at what point do actions commited in the name of preventing the spread of Communism become too much?

Tnu1138

McCarthyism is a pretty goo d example of crossing that line.

glennmagusharvey

> if it's conform or be primitive if anarcho-pirmitivism is the only means
of freedom why bo ther iwth life. Why bother with life when you can not
have liberty?

Well, what do you define as liberty?

If you define it as you do your own thing inside your house, your neighbor does their own thing inside their house, and you and your neighbor both can't interfere with each other's doings, then that's (almost) perfectly achievable.

On the other hand, if you define it as you can do anything, anything at all that you want to do...then no, that's never going to happen.  The laws of chemistry and physics prevent you, heck.

Khwarizmi

And the law of "that's not how people work".  Businesses hire security guards to protect their stuff from thieves.  The law exists to protect those who make it from murder, rape, theft, property damage, etc.  Don't throw a punch if you can't take one.  Pretty simple concept.