IJBM II ruined Tvtropes for me

Myrmidon

I can't like this place too much because it's stupid and silly. I can't like Tvtropes as much because I'm more keenly aware of its flaws.

vacasama

So what brought this on?  I mean some of the posters here seem have gotten more serious.

Khwarizmi

I feel like this place is turning me into a kind of shitty PR man.

ClockworkUniverse

^You haven't been saying anything without backing it up.

snowbull

The problem is that Tvtropes was never good to begin with. The forum was the only saving grace.

Vorpy

^ That isn't much of a saving grace though. It was a good thing in a bad place. If this forum had it's own index of different works that was as easy to access as [ADirtyShame], and crazy potholes to enhance discussion it would have been perfect.

ClockworkUniverse

I've never really understood how people who don't like the wiki wind up on the forum.

Komodin

The problem is that Tvtropes was never good to begin with. 

Yeah, well, that's your opinion!

Vorpy

I came to the Wiki first, found a forum due to the search and typed a bit.

snowbull

^^^I can't remember how I originally got to Tvtropes, but I specifically remembered that I didn't bother registering an account until I had been reading IJBM for almost a month, and decided I wanted in.

Come to think of it, the forums are merely okay. IJBM was what made it great.

Noimporta

 If this forum had it's own index of different works that was as easy to access as [ADirtyShame], and crazy potholes to enhance discussion it would have been perfect.

You mean, besides a large userbase and a significantly better signal to noise ratio?

snowbull

Large userbases are usually bad. We have the perfect number here: enough that it's active, enough that we can get to know each other (as much as you can online, anyway), but not so large that we get a ton of idiots.

vacasama

I do remember when tvtropes had a different forum.  I'd never visited it much before the site got hijacked by some dude who found the backdoor.

Longfellow

I like both IJBM and the TVTropes Video Game forum; I think I've lost interst in Yack Fest and IJAM.

glennmagusharvey

I quite like the wiki.

While I disagree with some policy aspects, overall I approve of the wiki.

Nyarly

IJBM II ruined TV Tropes criticism for me. It got to the point that I even dismiss issues, that I actually agree with, as random whining.

Ratix

I like the On-Topic Conversations. Wiki is cool too.

BaronGrackle

"The problem is that Tvtropes was never good to begin with. The forum was the only saving grace."

Really, snowbull? I couldn't care less about those forums. Internet forums are a dime a dozen. With the site though.... well, let's say I go and watch Bob and Alice save the universe. "Ha! Fun movie. I wonder if..."

I go to tvtropes. Yeah, it's filled with entries. There's Five Man Band, and it's broken down just the way I like it. There's the Heroic Sacrifice, yup, and there's the spoiler highlighted--but I know who it is by now, so let's see how they phrased it. Hmm, I wonder if anyone else noticed that they got the capital of Chile wrong? Ah, there it is on Did Not Do the Research. And there's a second bullet point explaining why they made that decision. And the third bullet point wraps it up in a clever joke, hah! Oh hey, they don't have anything here about that obvious Beard of Evil! Let me stick it in...

DYRE

The only real value works pages could possibly have for me are being able to see what kind of stuff is in a show before I watch it.  After I watch it, the page is worthless because I already know everything that might be on the page, and in fact might actually be worse than worthless because it might inspire nerdraeg.  But there are better ways to find shows that contain whatever it is you're looking for, so... the TV Tropes wiki doesn't have any value to me.  And at this point, the forums don't have much either since IJBM is gone.  The only place I even post now is in "Kagami Hiiragi snuggling with onions."

RedEyedAbyss

I've been feeling similarly about the character pages. Tropes can give you an idea of what the character might be like, but they won't tell you who the character actually is.

Icalasari

I like the trope pages

DYRE

I will admit though, that sometimes the descriptions of shows on works pages are better than summaries elsewhere on the internet.

Vorpy

The only thing I don't like about TV Tropes is the fact that they don't delete enough stupid shit.

Myrmidon

I like seeing the works page after I see something.

DYRE

A lot of people do, because they like it when people tell them things they already know.

Icalasari

^ Or maybe we aren't as astute and can't pick out every trope the first or even tenth time through?

Myrmidon

^^ Don't be a dick, Dyre.

Icalasari

^ Dyre is being a penis?

AND YAY 01210 ^ PATTERN!

Myrmidon

Well duh.

How else would he be able to tolerate Kodomo No Serious Sociological Fiction?

Icalasari

^ ...By being a vagina? A breast? A testicle? A vas deferens?

Stormtroper

A lot of people do, because they like it when people tell them things they already know.

*Raises hand*

Well, that and getting bits of trivia (Word Of God and such).