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Furries and Native American History

VorpyVorpy
edited 2011-04-13 22:50:02 in General
☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
Because I can't reply to him in my class in a tone that will get me expelled, I will simply refute his statements here.

Context: Out of town furry fan taking the Native History class that I am was explaining to me why the Furry Fandom and the Pikuni Tribe have so many simularities.

"The Native Americans and my kind have went through the same hardships and I have the utmost empathy for all of the murder and oppression that our kind has suffered together."
Please do not compare the fursecution bullshit you experience on the internet to the Baker Massacre or the Fort Laramie Treaty, or the outspread of Smallpox that killed around 1/3 of the entire population of my tribe in the 1800's.

"I liked how those who went on a vision quest in the mountains for fasting had the ability to transcend their body to communicate with animals, and the fact that you could bond with nature on such a close scale that you could become an animal. I could live with the wolves as a being of two kinds."
Except that you did not go on a vision quest to become an animal, and you did NOT become a hybrid of both. You communicated with the animals and asked for their wisdom, and if you did want to transcend into an animals body, you would have to die and be reborn as one. You do not just swap back and forth whenever you liked to.

"In the marriages it was okay for both you and your wife to wear a wolf headdress at the ceremony, but nowadays it's creepy and weird. I wish we were allowed to express who we really wanted to be in marriages in modern times."
It was okay because they were not projecting a fantasy animal roleplay fetish during their wedding, and wolf pelts were a precious bundling pelt used to represent an important day. It had nothing to do with the furries or wanting to become half-wolf or anything. It was just an apparel used to dignify that it was an important day for you. It would not be creepy to be married this way if you were part of the tribe and going for a tribal-style marriage, but it did not dignify that you wanted to marry a wolfkin or anything like that.

I can give him points for being nice to me and letting me use his notebook and jabbering about artwork, but other than that, I hope to God that I never have to put up with your comments ever again. Holy mother fuck, was it difficult to not want to tell him to shut the fuck up.

Sorry if it seems like I am furry bashing, I cant really tell if I hate his comments based on his misunderstandings or his furriness.

Rant over, feel free to ignore.
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  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
  • VorpyVorpy
    edited 2011-04-13 23:29:44
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Not sure what that means. Does it mean "Cool story bro" or tl;dr?
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    It's a pony clapping. I meant it as sincere applause.
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Oh, okay. Thank you.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    I am a furry and honestly, I want to slap him myself

    WHEN WILL THEY LEARN THAT THIS CRAP IS WHY FURRIES ARE A (bigger than average) TARGET!?
  • DYREDYRE
    No, I'm pretty sure it's the fact that they want to have sex while dressed as animals.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    No rainbow star
    ^ Yeah, but the whining makes the whole thing worse since it's exactly the reaction people want
  • NyarlyNyarly
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    Since you pretty much called it: Cool Story Bro (which is even my reaction to the whole thing).
  • Trash_VortexTrash_Vortex
    I'm with Gelzo on this one.
  • NyarlyNyarly
    Likes cheesecake unironically.
    I'm with me on this one.
  • Trash_VortexTrash_Vortex
    Why?
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Why not?
  • FrodoGoofballCoTVFrodoGoofballCoTV
    edited 2011-04-14 10:18:17

    Please do not compare the fursecution bullshit you experience on the internet to the Baker Massacre or the Fort Laramie Treaty, or the outspread of Smallpox that killed around 1/3 of the entire population of my tribe in the 1800's.

    This.

    The sad thing is your acquantance does not understand this - he is seeking comaraderie and failing utterly because the comparison is indeed inappropriate.

    Fundamentally, Native American is a racial and cultural heritage, while Furrydom is a fetish.  Full Stop.  This guy would do much better to compare himself to Chagen's diaper fascination, or my interest in Cute Monster People.

  • randomtropeloserrandomtropeloser
    This guy sounds pretty lame/deluded.  It's like if I started comparing my experiences being bullied in high school for being a studdering nerd to the discrimination African Americans faced in the 1950's.
  • ChagenChagen
    [tɕagɛn]

    Well, you have slightly more basis to your argument, given that that's discrimination based on looks, intelligence, and speech, instead of a fetish. Though Black people did suffer a lot more.
  • IcalasariIcalasari
    edited 2011-04-14 14:37:39
    No rainbow star
    ^^^ Eh, it seems to be a fandom also. The issue is seperating fandom from fetish (especially hard when there is a LOT of crossover). eg. "Oh, you're a furry. Meh. Just don't drag me to a convention" vs "GAH! I don't need to know that you want to fuck an anthropomorphic wolf! TOO MUCH INFORMATION!"

    Either way, still not comparable to a race. It would be like (in the fandom case) calling out, "TREKKECUTION", or (in the fetish case) calling out, "DON'T HATE ME BECAUSE CANNIBALISM TURNS ME ON!"
  • snowbullsnowbull
    Cue-bey
    ^^I dunno, in Canada I'd say the average black person is better off than the average aboriginal. Plus, in the US they kept black people around as slaves, but didn't they actively try to kill off many of the aboriginal people?
  • KhwarizmiKhwarizmi
    edited 2011-04-14 19:46:01
    Because you never know what you might see.
    I think Chagen was talking about nerds, not Native Americans.  Comparing the respective oppressions of African Americans and Native Americans is probably a bit more reasonable, though still ultimately pointless.
  • BobBob
    See, this is why no one likes furries. And this is coming from someone who has no problem with furries whatsoever. It's always the craziest ones that tend to be the most vocal.
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    Are those the ones that go "YIFF" in public?
  • BobBob
    edited 2011-04-14 23:04:31
    Yiff?

    Please, please, please tell me that's not the yiff I think it is.
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    I've heard that from a couple of furries some years back.
  • BobBob
    Isn't "yiff" the furry version of sex?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    Would that be sex in a fursuit?
  • VorpyVorpy
    ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Yes. Although I have only heard the depravity from it so I am at a lack of an unbiased definition besides the one I know.
  • BobBob
    ...So, people have sex in those things?

    I... what? How does that even...

    Wha?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    A kinky fetish that even gives you a pause?  Furry fetish must be really out if that can do that to you.
  • GelzoGelzo
    Pony Sleuth
    Holes in the costume?
  • BobBob
    ^^It's not the first...

    ^But, wouldn't it be all hot and bulky and uncomfortable?
  • vacasamavacasama
    Woki mit deim Popo.
    ^ Hmm, I'm tempted to ask but it's getting offtopic there.

    I've seen fur suits and they look cheap and poorly made.  I get people dressing up as maids, nurses, or school girls but fur suits?  I just don't get the appeal.
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