Antitheism (For real this time)

Sammy

Hey Chuggles, I'm an antitheist, and I think this

"Religion exists, and people follow it.

Some religious people do bad things.

Ergo, we must eliminate all religion."

is bullshit. Don't base your tl;dr criticism on a strawman, it simply won't work.

You should also stop conflating rationality with natural selection, because lolwut. I use contraceptives and give money to charity, I must be the dumb!

Noimporta

I [...] give money to charity, I must be the dumb!

According to a considerable number of economists, you are!

Myrmidon

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Sammy

Sure, if you actually care about the child in Africa. If you just want warm liberal fuzzies, the mere act of giving works.

BaronGrackle

^ Why do liberals get to be stereotyped as the donating ones?

Myrmidon

Because all conservatives are saturday morning cartoon villains.

Savage Heathen told me so.

Chagen

Sammy, that is what a majority of the antitheists I have seen say. At least on FSTDT. Everyone is pulling the "religious people did some bad things, DESTROY IT ALL". I only go by what I see.

You should also stop conflating rationality with natural selection, because lolwut. I use contraceptives and give money to charity, I must be the dumb!

 You took my statement wrong. Humans are animals. Our sole purpose was to fuck, breed, and then die. However, our intelligence and free will lets us stray from that path, because society is so huge that we don't have to focus on breeding like other animals. So we don't have to all be breeding and can choose to ignore it or actively prevent it (like you do).

That doesn't change the fact that all of us, in the end, were born with one goal encoded into our genes--to pass our genes to our offspring. We can ignore it, but we were born with it nonetheless.

ClockworkUniverse

"At least on FSTDT"

Found the problem.

Myrmidon

We don't have a purpose from a nature's-eye. We're normally predisposed to breed and fuck, but just as easily something goes wrong with the wiring and we do something that has no value to the continuation of the species. Nature doesn't care, because nature as an intelligent reified thing doesn't really exist.

Khwarizmi

Also, free will and intelligence are every bit as natural in humans as breeding and fucking.

Vorpy

Is there any ground to be gained on this thread, or should I save my breath for a better Anti-theism thread to come along?

Khwarizmi

Depends what you were going to say, I think?

Vorpy

Well I wanted to discuss what you guys were talking about, but considering it's Chagen's Anti-theism thread, it may be utterly pointless to even bother bringing up anything.

Myrmidon

Go on Vorpy. No time like the present.

Chagen

Just do it. I want to see discussion as well as discuss myself. Sometimes it's more entertaining to read two good debaters that try to debate yourself with mediocre skills.

Nyktos

I, too, enjoy watching master debaters go at it.

Vorpy

Chagen, that's just your opinion. There is no factual proof that religion is a problem to the world and must be removed, or that all fundies are objectively horrible.