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That the U.S. Constitution is considered infallible.

edited 2011-04-11 13:15:18 in General
Morgan Freeman is God
Case in point: The Second Amendment.

It's an artifact from days where people expected Britain to come back and take what they at the time thought was theirs. Those days are over, and in order to live more peaceful lives, gun ownership should be not be a right, but a privilege.

People who are a part of organizations like the NRA don't realize that guns and other weapons make it easier to commit crimes, and even if they do, they'd rather have crime skyrocket than fill out some goddamned paperwork.

Yes, the Constitution says it's your right, but maybe the Constitution is wrong and needs to be amended.

To make things worse, people who I argue this almost always think I'm some sort of communist or something, because God forbid that I be "Un-American" and question authority despite the fact that questioning authority is practically the definition of democratically elected government.

Comments

  • edited 2011-04-11 13:19:29
    [tɕagɛn]
    I don't see what's so wrong with owning firearms. Criminals will simplh go through illegal means to get them and I'd prefer being able to defend myself.

    But you are right. The Constitution was made to be amended and not adhered to completely. It's a very strobg foundation, though.
  • edited 2011-04-11 13:21:49
    Morgan Freeman is God
    It's okay to own firearms IMO, but it should be made so that actually obtaining them should require a thorough background check and psychoanalysis to prevent crazy or stupid people from owning them.

    People without training should not have them, people with mental instabilities should not have them, and people with criminal records should not have them.
  • Master Guardian of the Passive Voice
    ^I agree with Chagen, in the sense of agreeing with you about Constitutional fallibility but not necessarily about banning gun ownership.
  • Has friends besides tanks now
    I agree with Chuggles on both points.

    Also, I'm a little disappointed that I didn't get to respond first, since I literally just finished an English project on the American gun control debate today and feel like I have a reasonably well-informed opinion on the issue, but Chuggles basically said what I would have said.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Also agree with Chagen on both points.
  • It's okay to own firearms IMO, but it should be made so that actually obtaining them should require a thorough background check and psychoanalysis to prevent crazy or stupid people from owning them

    I agree completely with this.
  • edited 2011-04-11 14:36:08
    Has friends besides tanks now
    And I'll agree that that makes sense. Even if it can't stop all criminals from getting their overpowered guns, it can at least stop a few.

    In my research, I found an interesting statistic, though it's not very related to the above point:

    "* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.[53]" --> Found on this site: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

    The bill was repealed last year, though.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Yeah, there are definitely some people who shouldn't be able to just go outside and buy guns.
  • Master Guardian of the Passive Voice

    ^^ So Chicago's handgun ban brought about a reduced crime rate, but the rest of the country (which didn't implement the handgun ban) experienced even more of a reduced crime rate? Heh.

  • Has friends besides tanks now
    ^ I'm not sure if it owes mostly to the criminal climate, and by extension the complexity of the gun control debate, but Florida, after applying its own handgun ban, has had a decrease in crime that was significantly greater than America's as a whole. Contrary evidence, huh? :P -is too lazy to find the statistic, but recalls reading it-
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    Problem with banning guns from insane people: They are insane. Most likely they will do fucked up shit to get a gun anyway. Another problem is: What to do with all of the already sold guns out there that the insane people still have.
  • edited 2011-04-11 15:42:59
    Has friends besides tanks now
    Whether or not insane people can get guns depends on how competent they are. Which is to say that some will, and some won't. It's the same for all criminals willing to break laws to get guns, whether or not they are technically insane. And there isn't much we can do about the people who already have them, unless they use them.
  • Let's not turn this into a gun control debate please. I've seen enough of those.

    OP has a point, GOP hold that document up like a golden tomb from god himself, anything that isn't in it from them is socialism. I find it entirely ironic that they call 'healthcare' a government takeover. Yet the constitution itself calls for nationalized mail!

    Nobody ever complains about USPS. Of course, not, their service is top notch.
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    USPS? Top-notch? You...clearly don't live where I do.
  • ☭Unstoppable Sex Goddess☭
    ^ USPS should be added to SoBadIt'sHorrible/RealLife
  • Master Guardian of the Passive Voice
    ^^^ Commando, I don't think Constitution worship is a party specific thing. I think it's a U.S. culture thing. Maybe not the second amendment, but wander over to the fourteenth or so.
  • edited 2011-04-11 18:01:06
    Well, it's a pivotal part of how our country got founded/given such a big importance in the founding of this country in history class (not sure which is which), so it only figures that we would have some sort of attachment to it.
  • I like turtles.
    Allowing for amending the Constitution, rather like the inclusion of the Bill of Rights, has proved to be a double-edged blade, because people tend to twist it into something that is the exact opposite of what those who wrote the document intended.

    They allowed for the amendment of the Constitution because they knew situations might arise in which the spirit of the law came under attack - when something is clearly wrong and would be condemned under similar principles already in the document - that's why the abolition of slavery was a good amendment and the prohibition of alcohol was a bad one.

    No, the Constitution isn't infallible, but it's still a pretty good system and I really don't understand why people seem to dislike it.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Yeah, IJBM "conservatives" who slavishly stick to "the Constitution" and don't realize that one of its major features is the very fact that it can and was expected to be amended.

    > It's okay to own firearms IMO, but it should be made so that actually obtaining them should require a thorough background check and psychoanalysis to prevent crazy or stupid people from owning them

    Well, there are two groups of people who will want guns but who shouldn't get them:
    * crazy people
    * criminals

    Criminals are going to get them anyway; all you can do with stricter gun laws is to slow down their rate of getting them, and generally leave them somewhat less armed.  This problem, however, will not go away, since as long as firearms exist--even if they are completely illegal--criminals will find ways to get them.

    You want to work on the crazy people.
  • edited 2011-04-12 01:33:31
    Which I believe is done to some degree.  If you would like to change the legal stance that a person is sane until proven otherwise, I recommend you get to work.
  • What about normal folk who are a bit impulsive and get angry easily? I can't imagine that every murder is committed by the insane or the criminal.
  • Which I believe makes up the majority of murders, but not deaths.  I believe the largest cause of gun death is currently suicide.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    You mean the largest result?
  • The largest single cause of death from gunfire was suicide in 200X. 
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