Asshole Bullies vs. Self-Made Victims

Vorpy

Hyperbole on both sides, and, It seems that when it comes to bullying in high school, I have learned that the majority of the time, the victim is at fault.

DonZabu

So if a guy who enjoys poking people, but just happens to find some people easier to poke than others, that guy doesn't have any sorts of issues?

snowbull

Unless the victim is beating the bully up (if you can spin that as victimization you have a career as a lawyer ahead of you), or something similarly unlikely, you can't really say they're at fault.

Bob

In some cases, the victim is to blame. Sometimes they're just plain annoying and prone to provoking others, then get butthurt when they get the shit beat out of them, and sometimes the "victim" just blows things way out of proportion. I wouldn't say it's this way a majority of the time, but it happens fairly often.

DonZabu

^ Even if, that's pretty shaky ground to blame a victim on.

snowbull

People are multifaceted. Just because that's the way things are doesn't mean that's the way they should be. I consider gay pride parades to be one of the most annoying things I have ever had to deal with, but I'm not trucking down to Alabama to join the local lynching squad.

Vorpy, you often complain that people here and on Tvtropes discount your opinions because you are Tnophelia, and pretend that you have absolutely nothing of value to say. I know they're being hyperbolic, but have you considered that this may be your own fault?

Bob

Not that kind of annoying, annoying in the way of intentionally trying to anger or get a negative reaction out of someone.

RedEyedAbyss

That's more like a victim complex than being a genuine victim.

Vorpy

Words vs. Actions my friends. And the familiar ring of "Talk shit, get hit". Most weaker people who are victims tend to run their mouths off quite a lot, yet think that there won't be any physical response to their attempt to be witty or "win an argument" with said person or shock and awe them with their sharp tongue.

There also seems to be the problem where they attract the attention of somebody who is having a bad day, and tend to blow it out of proportion so much where they are designated as "that one fucking girl to vent my frustrations on".

Some people do get bullied for no reason, but very few of them respond to it in the right way, and instead escalate it to dumb levels that you wouldn't have brought on yourself if you would just report it to the authorities or not react to them at all.

snowbull

>implying the authorities give a flying fuck

>implying they'll stop if you do nothing

DonZabu

There's something you're not telling us, Vorpy.

snowbull

Crystal ball prediction: Vorpy feels guilty about something.

Vorpy

Oh yeah, it's the fact that most of these bullied people tend to hold back important information, you know, the kind that shows that they provoked said people into kicking the shit out of them?

It was back in Highschool when this kid I knew was at the stands of the football field, and this kid and his friends were bad mouthing the players as they were walking by going "hey look at all of these guys ready to aggressively grope other guys and playing a dumb game" and other comments implying they were gay. One turned around, looked at him and pushed him off the stand and told him to shut his mouth and there was nothing gay about it, but he kept throwing around that smug attitude and making comments about homophobia and gay sex towards him so eventually he just went over and started stomping on him until he cried. Security came over and broke the thing up, and had me sign a statement as a witness for what happened.

Later on I got called into the office about my statement and they were asking whether or not I forged it because I was "on the player's side" and the kid said that he didn't do anything to them and they just came out of nowhere and beat him down. Big mouthed little shits like him need to own up to what they say.

DonZabu

^ Well in that case, they can't accurately be called "victims" of bullying, can they?

/semantics

But in all seriousness, don't let morons like that be representative of all bullying victims in your mind.

snowbull

Being able to ignore these people is a valuable skill in life. All I learned is that football players are the type of people who tend to use violence to solve their problems, so I'll file this one under shit I already knew.

The guys was an idiot, granted, but I can't say he deserved to be beaten.

Wicked223

he just went over and started stomping on him until he cried.

That seems like an overreaction, TBH.

Vorpy

Well, the problem is I don't actively research bullying behavior, I am not a school counselor, and I am not interested in interviewing bullies and victim all across america to get the general idea of every scenario that can be brought up. I go by what I see, as does everyone else. Unless somebody DOES in fact study this and have a degree in this sort of discussion, then, feel free to tell me.

It may be different elsewhere, and some may have people come out of nowhere to make their lives miserable, for alien reasons, for long periods of time and use every personality gambit in the world to get away with it, but how the hell am I supposed to know that?

snowbull

If you were ugly and short, would you enjoy "deserving it", Vorpy?

DonZabu

For starters, when you hear people say "I was attacked without provocation", you could not automatically assume that they're self-serving assholes blowing things out of proportion.

Vorpy

snowbull, for some reason I cannot read that sentence correctly, no matter how hard I try.

Rape implication aside, you mean being teased for being ugly and short? Since I can not imagine myself as that, I am afraid I cannot emphathize/sympathize with that, and feel compelled to answer with: I did tease ugly people for being ugly.

snowbull

Rape implication

wut

I did tease ugly people for being ugly.

I've done that too, and I regret it. I wish I hadn't. Do you?

Vorpy

If you were ugly and short, would you enjoy "deserving it", Vorpy?

"Deserving it" is slang in my town for the Rape Punishment.

Noimporta

Well, the problem is I don't actively research bullying behavior, I am not a school counselor, and I am not interested in interviewing bullies and victim all across america to get the general idea of every scenario that can be brought up. I go by what I see, as does everyone else. Unless somebody DOES in fact study this and have a degree in this sort of discussion, then, feel free to tell me.

It may be different elsewhere, and some may have people come out of nowhere to make their lives miserable, for alien reasons, for long periods of time and use every personality gambit in the world to get away with it, but how the hell am I supposed to know that?

Then you can stop making sweeping over-generalizations about topics you admittedly have no idea about. 

Vorpy

^ Hypocrisy for the Hypocrisy God, Noimporta?

Just when Noimporta is about to break ground on the eternal debate of research and licensing....

...he ends up contradicting himself and asserting a point that applies to absolutely nobody here.

Never change, good sir.

Vorpy

I've done that too, and I regret it. I wish I hadn't. Do you?

I only regret it, mostly because of the fact that I don't think they are ugly anymore, and I was under some pretty strict standards on what is and isn't ugly. The fact that there is nothing I can do about it reassures me that it's something that should be just forgotten.

If they want to hold a grudge against me, I guess they can.

Vorpy, you often complain that people here and on Tvtropes discount your opinions because you are Tnophelia, and pretend that you have absolutely nothing of value to say. I know they're being hyperbolic, but have you considered that this may be your own fault?

I've complained about this recently in the last week? Hmmm...wait I didn't. Either way, I should just DEAL WITH IT, as should everyone else. In real life, it is different because you cannot physically bully others.

Vorpy

@Wicked223

I don't think it was much of an overreaction for high school stuff. Beating him until he was bloody might have been, but that was generally tame.

snowbull

I'm sorry if I've been a jerk, I just felt so angry tonight

I'm going to bed

Vorpy

Both you, me and Midi. My day off, and everyone is in a shitty mood.

Schitzo

@ entire thread

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AXavierB

lolno. Next.

Sammy

Hyperbole on both sides, and, It seems that when it comes to bullying in
high school, I have learned that the majority of the time, the victim
is at fault.

I have learned that the majority of the time, the victim
is at fault.

the victim is at fault

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