Conspiracy theorists

Charlatan

Why do paranoid dummies feel a need to broadcast themselves? Wouldn't that just clue in the Ruinous Powers that someone is onto them?

 

I ask this because twice in the past week I've gotten spam mail from some idiot named "Fremen Fighter" who's agenda is unclear but thinks the government is putting guns in the hands of killers to spur events like the Connecticut shooting and thus thinks the solution is to...

 

...WAIT FOR IT...

 

...Arm teachers with guns.

Crimson

Because usually these types are legitimately mentally ill and, y'know, not capable of acting rationally?

Charlatan

Why the fuck didn't their family or something recommend them to a psychiatrist? How do people this...Troubled...Get a job long enough to afford a computer and pay the internet bills?

 

Why are these people left unmonitored? That's how shit like the Connecticut shooting happens in the first place!

 

 Also how did these looney get my email address to begin with, anyway?

 

(On that note, part of the reason that happened was because the mum was...Not a good mother. She apparently taught her son firearms usage to teach him responsibility. Oh, the irony.)

Crimson

Because psychiatric care is expensive, far more than internet access, and also disability checks.

 

Charlatan

Sigh. Figures.

 

Shouldn't someone monitor these people to make sure they're not spending the disability checks on digging their own grave?

saladofstones

Its pretty easy for people not to get psychiatric care and to not be monitored. Whatever mechanism we use to monitor these people is either going to be difficult to enforce (and costly at any rate) and its doubtful any useful data will be gained from surveillance.

 

From a law enforcement perspective, lone shooters (or active shooters as they are known, since in a shooting spree information is often sparse) are very difficult to track and counter. Honestly, there are many people that have to be monitored and very limited resources to monitor them.

 

I doubt gun laws can help if the situation involves someone other than the owner having possible mental issues, unless we want to go that extra step.

 

But its pretty easy for someone with mental illness to do well enough that they can afford internet bills and spout their theories. It is much less likely for most people to actively seek mental healthcare and most asylums are temporary (and designed for crisis moments, not indefinite storage) and have an iffy chance of leading the person to take better care of themselves.

 

Chances are they'll end up the street given enough time, and become part of the homeless population of whatever area they are in.

 

Also conspiracy theories are rarely rational or internally consistent. If you are likely to believe in one conspiracy theory, you are more likely to believe in other conspiracy theories. When faced with facts that point against the theory, or when theories contradict each other, they generally add another layer onto the conspiracy. And someone can be a conspiracy theorist without being mentally ill.

RocketDude

"Fremen Fighter"

Are you sure he wasn't with House Harkonnen? Those are some vindictive motherfuckers.

Charlatan

@saladofstones: I see.

 

Still wondering where this guy got my email, though.

 

@RocketDude:

 

Too crazy and not EEEEEVIL enough to be Harkonnen, sadly.

RocketDude

Well, hey, if the guy posts a picture of himself and he has some nasty-ass boils on him, run.

Super Lazuli

I'm kind of puzzled how you went from "conspiracy theorist" to "medically mentally ill" to "clearly this guy is a shooting perpetrator waiting to happen".

Like, there are many different kinds of mental illness, and even then, being a conspiracy theorist doesn't make you mentally ill, it makes you misguided in most circumstances. I could tell you about the things I used to believe but I'll spare you that trip down memory lane. Often, people get into this kind of thing via a messageboard or e-mail, usually from someone with an agenda of some kind.

Charlatan

I never said this guy was a shooting perp waiting to happen, just that he's ranting at length about the Connecticut shooting and has some crazy ideas about it.

 

Also, I think he's at least a LITTLE crazy because he sent another email about a week ago saying that Windows 8 was literally Satan incarnate, and something either against- or for-Paganism. I couldn't tell which.

 

And again, I'll ask, HOW DID THIS FUCKER GET MY EMAIL ADDRESS.

Nyktos

Windows 8 was literally Satan incarnate

Well, they had to one-up Windows 7 somehow.

Super Lazuli

And again, I'll ask, HOW DID THIS FUCKER GET MY EMAIL ADDRESS.

It is *shockingly* easy to get random peoples' e-mail addresses if you're not looking for anyone's in particular. Honestly you could probably google it and come up with several different techniques.

 

 

JHM

Google is a spectacular and terrifying tool.

Bee

Other than the usual actual investigative channels, simple library attacks are enough to get loads of addresses.  If you're using a college email account, their account-naming process is trivially deterministic if you have access to their public records, and gmail encourages similarly simple naming conventions.

Hell, you can just have a program randomly pair up common first + last names @gmail.com and land several thousand.

Crimson

HOW DID THIS FUCKER GET MY EMAIL ADDRESS.

A bigger question is why you aren't blocking him.

Charlatan

Because I'm a dutz and forgot I could do that. :V

Charlatan

Oh look, the asshole's back!

 

While reports of Tuesday's shooting at the Clackamas Town Center Mall in Oregon, dominated the national media, until Friday's horrific shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut, one very important detail has been repeatedly (and intentionally) left out of the MSM's coverage.

The shooter, Jacob Tyler Roberts, was confronted with an armed citizen, at which time he ran away and shot himself. By the time police arrived on the scene, Roberts was already dead.

That armed man was 22-year-old Nick Meli, who was at the mall shopping with a young woman who was babysitting her friend's baby.

Here are a few facts about armed Americans:

-In 1982, the town of Kennesaw, Georgia, passed an ordinance which required all heads of household to have at least one gun in the house. The burglary rate immediately dropped an astounding 89 percent. Ten years after the law was passed, the burglary rate was still 72 percent less than it was in 1981.

-Armed citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as the police do every year in this country (1,527 to 606).

-A 1996 University of Chicago study concluded that states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rates by 8.5 percent, rapes by 5 percent, aggravated assaults by 7 percent, and robbery by 3 percent.

-According to the National Safety Council, with guns being used 2.5 million times a year in self defense against criminals, firearms are actually used more than 80 times more often to protect lives, rather than to take lives.

-A 1979 Justice Department study entitled Rape Victimization in American Cities, concluded that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32 percent were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3 percent of the attempted rapes were actually committed.

-Another Justice Department study found that 57 percent of felons agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running the police."

 

Someone please tell me how to permablock someone on Gmail because there isn't a BLOCK button in big bold letters.

 

EDIT: Figured it out. I think.

lrdgck

You know what, concerning this particular wacko - I've been thinking, he might be kinda right. I mean, concerning his solution. The 'States look to me like they're on the whole so oversaturated with guns, it might be easier just to stuff more guns into those places which aren't yet stereotypically American (if you know what I mean). You know, it'd be kinda like ending the "War on Drugs" and getting more laid-back is the proposed solution to the drug problem.

Charlatan

I can't imagine that ending well in crowded urban areas, though. Too much crossfire.

 

So many GUNS GUNS GUNS types live in the countryside, though, that I don't think they'd understand.

 

And at any rate I am not going to indulge the NRA and their lobbyist tendencies. All I'm sure they want above all is a world where they can push more guns on more people so the NRA can get more money.

 

And at any rate, wouldn't trying to ensure that people never turn into psychopaths/gang members/etc be better than turning everything into a small-scale case of Mutually Assured Destruction?

MillerCross

The difference is that if everybody had a joint, it wouldn't lead to anywhere near the amounts of death that would happen if everyone was holding an object made for killing on their household.

lrdgck

For some reason I'm just suddenly imagining how A-pot-calypse would look.

Naas_Human

And at any rate, wouldn't trying to ensure that people never turn into psychopaths/gang members/etc be better than turning everything into a small-scale case of Mutually Assured Destruction?

Probably, but these people don't seem like they actually understand that.

-Armed citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as the police do every year in this country (1,527 to 606).

Do police usually need/want to kill criminals? I imagine their job is mainly to arrest people and leave it up to a judge and jury.

MillerCross

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RocketDude

Shit, I got this nutjob too. He must not have liked my Harkonnen comment.

Charlatan

This bastard is timely and productive. Got another one today:

 

People talk of the one-percent elite who are out to own and control everything in the world. Let’s put a name on one of them: Dianne Goldman Feinstein (D-Calif.). This powerful U.S. Congresswoman is the 9th richest on Capitol Hill, according to reports about the b/millionaires in Congress. Feinstein’s first major attempt at gun control occurred when she ordained a citywide handgun ban as mayor of San Diego, Calif., in 1984, where an attempt at recall failed.

Feinstein, 79, called for more gun control measures after the “Fast and Furious” ordeal. While only verbally slapping the hand of the irresponsible government officials by saying mistakes were made, she tried again to infringe on American’s Second Amendment Right. Currently, she has her sights on becoming the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which oversees gun control legislation. In the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, Feinstein will ride the tide to usher in what elitists want, to grab Americans’ guns. These elite can afford high-tech security systems, bullet-proof vehicles and bodyguards, whose guns will not be sought, but they want the common man’s. Why is gun control vitally important to them? It’s a tried and true formula that worked for Stalin, Hitler and Mao to control the masses. Why bring up communists? Communistic-socialist ideas work for rich and powerful Americans, who are mainly counterfeit-Jewish.

Actually, they are Atheist Marxists but call themselves Jewish. These “fake” Jews originate from Khazaria and went to Russia and its surrounding areas, as did Feinstein’s grandparents, immigrating from Poland and Russia to the U.S. Jews, like them, were told by the Sanhedrin to migrate to the U.S. and make their children doctors, lawyers and politicians to eventually destroy the Christians. Her father, Leon Goldman, became a renowned surgeon. Fake Jews also have instructions through “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” to obtain control through the judiciary, banking, real-estate, media and politics, which most of them own companies in all areas addressed in these protocols. For a detailed account of “fake” Jewish elite, review the free documentary, “The Nazi Banksters’ Crimes Ripple Effect” available online.

Feinstein is easy to identify as a fake Jew because of her roots. She is even easier to spot as a Marxist, because of her connections with Communist China, along with her fake-Jewish husband, Richard Blum, an investment banker-power elite. Both are intertwined with Communist China through “business” deals, investments, and connections. They say they keep their business-affairs separate, but only a fool would believe their long-standing marriage has such secrets. It is more likely they are partners who help each other. Feinstein’s ethics have already come under fire. She has received criticisms of conflict-of-interest due to her husband’s interest in companies awarded U.S. governmental contracts, such as Perini and EG&G, which was bought from the Carlyle Group. Another unethical example is she introduced legislation to provide $25 billion in taxpayer money to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which is an agency that had awarded Blum’s real-estate company Coldwell Bank
 er Richard Ellis (CBRE) a contract to sell foreclosed properties at rates higher than the norm.

Feinstein campaigned for trade relations with Communist China, citing that China should be granted “most favored nation” in terms of trade, meaning it would get the best terms and lowest import taxes. Trade with China has destroyed many American companies, American livelihoods, and a big part of the American way of life. Jobs and technologies were outsourced through NATFA, pushed by the Clinton administration. Today, products sold in America are made by oppressed Chinese children and adults whose labor funds their country’s military expansion. Loads of Chinese products are sold at Wal-Mart, another destroyer of American small business. In fact, Wal-Mart is the number one importer of Chinese goods through the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO).

COSCO, owned by the People’s Republic of China, oversees and controls the Long Beach Naval Base in California, not to mention involvement at other ports. President Clinton awarded this arm of the Chinese military the lease and also loaned it millions of U.S. dollars. He did this even after much debate was given on allowing a Communist country to control a port on U.S. soil. Feinstein is said to have opposed its lease, but it appears she only questioned it.

There are major issues with COSCO:

1. A COSCO ship was involved in smuggling 2,000 illegal Chinese immigrants into the United States in Oakland, CA in 1996. [Feinstein says she wants to fight illegal immigration, yet how did she tackle this concern?]

2. COSCO was caught shipping 87 pounds of heroin in 1993. The Clinton Administration admitted COSCO was caught, but defended the company’s officials. [Feinstein says she wants to fight illegal drugs, yet how did she tackle this concern?]

3. The COSCO ship, Empress Phoenix, had attempted to smuggle in some 2,000 AK-47 fully automatic assault weapons. But the U.S. keeps doing business as usual with them, and politicians don’t go after these criminals with as much zest as they do Americans. [Feinstein says she wants to fight for gun control, yet how did she tackle this concern?]

4. COSCO was placed on a list of shippers to monitor by the U.S. Coast Guard after COSCO ships were stopped six times within a year and accused of breaking international safety regulations.

5. A COSCO ship crashed into the boardwalk in New Orleans, injuring 116 people and causing massive damage.

6. A COSCO ship was suspected by U.S. intelligence of carrying chemical weapons in 1993, although no chemical weapons were found when the ship was searched. [Feinstein said Iraq had weapons of massive destruction, yet how did she tackle this concern?]

7. On January 24, 1996, the New York Times reported warnings by the former Ambassador, Charles Freling, quoting a Chinese official that China would intimidate Taiwan because U.S. leaders would care more about Los Angeles than they would Taiwan. As the U.S. fleet started to go through the straits, when communist China started shelling Taiwan and missile attacks, the Chinese responded that the U.S. withdraw and threatened nuclear warfare on the city of Los Angeles.

8. The Chinese made donations to the DNC in hopes of gaining influence. Johnny Chung, a Chinese American businessman from California, gave $366,000 to Democrats, but it was later returned on suspicion it illegally came from foreign sources. These donations coincide with Clinton’s decisions on leasing the naval base.

9. Communist China underhandedly obtained the bid to run both sides of the Panama Canal. An Alabama company made a bid on them and it won the contracts for both. It was selected by Panama. After selection, after announcement, the Chinese government went in with bribes and the decision was reversed.

10. COSCO was fined for paying kickbacks to shippers instead of abiding by tariffs. This is, again, a Chinese-operated company that was cited for giving kickbacks, payoffs for access.

11. There was concern that given the political and military nature of China that the COSCO deal relates to the strong possibility that China can establish intelligence-gathering capability at the former Naval base. It is known that the former Soviet Union established a number of Signal Intelligence sites at strategic sites throughout the U.S.

These issues get very little notice by Feinstein, or for that matter the U.S. Government, except maybe to keep them hush. Feinstein goes after American individual rights guaranteed by the U.S Constitution, but she does little to protect them from her Chinese comrades.

COSCO in America remains a consumer-front and the U.S. treats it and its subsidiaries as normal business partners. The truth of the matter is the American economy was traded for Chinese goods. American jobs were traded for shiploads of cheap products whose sales have built up quite a massive military presence with control of almost 150 acres of America’s West Coast.

Few Americans benefit from COSCO, but the ones who do are the power players like Feinstein, Blum, the Clintons and more. Feinstein isn’t good for America, yet she is allowed to be a policy-maker. She lied about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and was supportive of the Iraq War efforts. She co-sponsored PIPA in 2011. Given her support Chinese “industry” and growth, she cannot be for Americans.

Related information and/or sources include the following,
1) Feinstein: Bad Choice for Intelligence: http://www.fpif.org/articles/feinstein_bad_choice_for_intelligence
2) Insider Trader, War Profiteer, Chinese Company Invested Dianne Feinstein: https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/12/02/18701603.php
3) Richard C. Blum and Dianne Feinstein: The Power Couple of California http://foundsf.org/index.php?title=Richard_C._Blum_and_Dianne_Feinstein:_The_Power_Couple_of_California
4) Congressional Record: The COSCO Strategic Threat: https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1997_cr/h970520-cosco.htm
5) Congressional Record: COSCO: A COMMUNIST CHINESE-OWNED COMPANY: https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1997_cr/h970415-cosco.htm
6) Congressional Record Reads: COSCO: A Communist-Chinese Owned Company http://rose4justice.com/2011/07/28/congressional-record-reads-cosco-a-communist-chinese-owned-company/
7) The Patriotic American: Congress Compromises on COSCO Take Over of Former Long Beach Naval Base: http://www.tpromo2.com/gko/american/lgbeach4.htm
8) COSCO CAUGHT SHIPPING 87 POUNDS OF HEROIN: http://raineym.tripod.com/china-1.html
9) China-Gate's Smoking Gun: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/china/j28.html
10) The Women's Shill Caucus: http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/mm0497.09.html
11) Feinstein and Boxer support COSCO in San Diego: http://www.virtualpet.com/bright/miscnews/navalb.htm
12) China’s Control of the Panama Canal Revisited: http://themengesproject.blogspot.com/2008/10/chinas-control-of-panama-canal.html
13) Dianne Feinstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein

 

I wish I knew how to say "Too long; didn't read; you bore me; kill yourself" in crackpot-ese.

MadassAlex

Communistic-socialist ideas work for rich and powerful Americans, who are mainly counterfeit-Jewish.

I think this might just be The Best Sentence. I'll have to do some cross-referencing but this might just be the one. Fingers crossed!

Charlatan

He's like Timecube Guy with more of a Freudian gun complex.

Crimson

Dude, either block him or admit you like this shit for the schadenfreude value.

Charlatan

I DID put him on my Gmail block list. All it seems to do though is automatically assign posts from him to the spam bin.

Crimson

Then leave it in the spam folder where it belongs and let the auto-delete do its work.