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General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)



  • BeeBee
    edited 2013-02-18 16:31:43

    I'm pretty sure someone at my college has done ass drugs sometime or other.  The probability of at least one person in sight radius having done any monumentally stupid thing you can think of asymptotically approaches 1 as you approach Eugene or Portland.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    What about Miami?

  • BeeBee
    edited 2013-02-18 16:39:07

    I've never been to Miami and cannot conclusively report on its concentration of stupid.

    I can conclusively report that hippies are a singularity of stupid, and any stupidflux integral should be careful not to intersect directly with any hippies.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Actually, come to think of it, Miami isn't known for a high concentration of stupid; it's known for a high concentration of crazy.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    So, Mississippi outlawed slavery.

    Like, just now.

    Yeah, apparently they never actually got around to it, and after the Lincoln movie came out, someone was looking into it, pointed it out, and they went "oh, oops, we should do that."


    Wouldn't the thirteenth amendment make that law redundant though?

  • > ass drugs

    Is that like the joke Scrubs did about the how "analgesic" is pronounced?

    ...actually, I regret asking already.

    @ClockorkUniverse Aren't there already federal laws that take care of that?

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    ^^It's actually what I'm talking about. Mississippi just ratified it. The amendment of course applies federally, but until today, Mississippi was officially against that.

    But don't worry. That was just a clerical error. Mississippi fully intended to take an anti-slavery stance way back in...1995. Gah.
  • edited 2013-02-19 04:55:06
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    > 1995

    "We look like we're 148 years late, but we actually only meant to be 130 years late!"

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!
    Alabamians tend to be very glad Mississippi is around to make us not be the worst state.
  • You can change. You can.

    I heard some people do it, honestly.

    lol Stevie Nicks 

  • edited 2013-02-19 05:02:56

    The amendment of course applies federally, but until today, Mississippi was officially against that.

    Wait, states can be against parts of the constitution? How does that work?

  • edited 2013-02-19 05:18:24
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Hmm, there's these twenty-seven cherries lying right here!  Let me see which ones I like:

    * That first one looks nice.  If people tell me I can't do stuff I get to point to this and tell them to fuck off.

    * I really like that second one.  It lets me point a gun at them and tell them to fuck off, which is more effective than just telling them to fuck off.

    * I forgot what that third one means to me, but it probably lets me tell gubbermint people to fuck off.

    * This fourth one definitely lets me tell gubbermint people to fuck off.

    * This fifth one looks like lawyers lawyerin'.  I think it sounds nice though.

    * Ehh, more lawyerin'.  Though I'll take it since it gives me the chance to tell anyone who goes around accusin' me to go fuck off.

    * And at least I can tell a jury why the other guy needs to go fuck off.

    * This don't let me tell them criminals to fuck off badly enough...but at least it lets me tell the gubbermint to fuck off.

    * This ninth one lets me tell the gubbermint to fuck off!

    * This tenth one lets me tell my local gubermint to tell the federal gubbermint to fuck off!

    * I'm not sure what the eleventh one does, but it seems to involve telling some people to fuck off.

    * This twelth one's borin', cause it don't tell anyone to fuck off.

    * What is this?!  It's the gubbermint tellin' me to fuck off!  No one tells me to fuck off, so this cherry can go fuck off itself!

    * This fourteenth one is telling me to fuck off when I try to fuck with other people!  That ain't fair!  This cherry can fuck off too!

    * Again with the telling me to fuck off!

    * And now they wanna fuck with my money?  I'm tellin' ya, all of this shit should go fuck off!

    * I don't care anymore!  Whatever it is can go fuck off!  Sheesh!


    ...and that's how Tea-Partier U.S. Senate candidates have ended up opposing the amendment that guarantees the right to directly elect U.S. senators.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human


    But so far, only Fortenberry has attracted the ire of conservatives. In his email, Hoskins listed their problems with Fortenberry, which include his votes to increase the debt limit, raise income taxes and congressional pay, and ban incandescent light bulbs.

    Arson, murder, and jaywalking, people.

  • But you never had any to begin with.

    The US still uses incandescent lightbulbs?

  • We still use motherfucking coal.  Incandescents are the least of our problems.

  • But you never had any to begin with.

    What's actually stopped nuclear power from getting a decent foothold in the US? Is it predominately the anti-nuclear lobby, or is there more to it?

  • edited 2013-02-21 00:07:36

    For your average American, the mental association process on the subject goes something like this: nuclear power = nuclear bomb = radioactive death = bad.

    Seriously, there are people here who are convinced that their cell phones will give them cancer if they don't wear them in special protective holsters. Just imagine how thoroughly shitless they'd be scared if they found out about a plan to build a nuclear power plant anywhere near where they live.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    People here are terrified of it because...just because, really.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    The United States has a political system that validates people's hopes and fears, regardless of whether they're advisable.

    And for U.S. conservatives...well, they're basically on a nostalgia binge, pining for the good old days when everything went right, and seeing the world being different from what they're familiar with, and cursing the differences.  Except those that make their own lives better, of course.

  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!

    Also, they're really quick to point out Chernobyl and Fukushima. Even though the former was because of profoundly shitty engineering even for its time, and the latter could have been much worse, and was because of a goddamn 9.0 earthquake.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    One thing that annoys me about liberals, actually, is their aversion to nuclear power.

    The way that our society's power-consuming infrastructure is built, that's basically the only good source of baseload power besides fossil fuels, barring development of really good energy storage.

    Yes, nuclear waste is really nasty shit.  Thing is, it's pretty nastiness-dense (rather than nastiness-diffuse) and is easy to lock away.

    Now if you're talking about civil security problems, that's a more valid concern.  But I think it's still worth having the nuclear option (start snickering, fellow political geeks) on the table.

  • BeeBee
    edited 2013-02-21 02:36:26

    and the latter could have been much worse, and was because of a goddamn 9.0 earthquake.

    It was also because local anti-nuclear groups were impeding upgrades to the reactors that would have dramatically improved their stability to the point that they likely would have survived the tsunami.

    ^ It's not really liberals so much as hippies specifically.  And fuck hippies.

    Most of the support for nuclear power comes from other liberal blocs who realize that burying 1 m^3 of properly-processed uranium for 500 years is a way, way better solution than spewing out over 100,000 times the mass of toxic gases in coal.

  • Nothing to do with legislation, or really important stuff, I guess, but apparently there's been quite a few politicians admitting to having "secret offspring" lately.

    It was just the latest in a seemingly endless stream of politicians being forced to reveal secret children, from one-time Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards to former Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Just last week, U.S. Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee acknowledged that he's the father of a 24-year-old woman after the two were seen communicating on Twitter during the State of the Union address.

    I guess it's not really important, anyway, but I just wanted to mention this somewhere.

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    Incandescent means it has tungsten wire inside? (And not, like, native Peruvian.) Because I haven't yet noticed these new ecological light bulbs being that much better or efficient.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    Yeah.  Basically, incandenscent in contrast to the CFL (compact fluorescent light) bulbs, which are actually tubes.  Too bad our lighting infrastructure is pretty much built around circular bulbs, even though CFLs are much better straight.

    Native Peruvian bulbs would be fuckin' awesome though.

    ^^ And here's a little bit about former U.S. Senator Pete Domenici (R-NM): http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/02/20/flashback_quote_of_the_day.html

    Looks like he got a piece of the action too.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    IJBM: People panicking about genetically modified foods.

  • BeeBee
    edited 2013-02-21 17:01:21

    Incandescents shoot a current through a metal filament heat up and glow.  Fluorescents shoot a current through a tube of rarefied gas to make it glow without heating up.

    Fluorescent bulbs' light are mostly confined to a few spectral emission bands depending on the gas inside -- it's very efficient to let you see around and wastes very little energy on heat, but can feel artificial or give insufficient light to make out subtle color details because you're not actually getting a full spectrum.  Incandescents are typically more full lighting because blackbody radiation does throw off a full spectrum, but use considerably more power due to broader spectrum and heat loss, and are more prone to burning out because that heating physically strains the filament with heat expansion.

    For most cases you're much better off in the long term using fluorescents, though you still want incandescents for artistic endeavors (stage lighting etc).



    Fun fact, this is also a problem you'd run into with an underground bomb shelter or something.  Most bulbs don't put off the kind of light you need to make enough vitamin D to be completely healthy, but incandescents will at least yield some.  There's also an argument to be made for people in extreme latitudes to want incandescent bulbs, because they already get so little sunlight due to oblique solar angle and overcast weather.

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    There's also an argument to be made for people in extreme latitudes to want incandescent bulbs, because they already get so little sunlight due to oblique solar angle and overcast weather.

    Vitamin D pills are a thing.

  • edited 2013-02-21 18:22:10
    "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    Vitamin D pills, or that whale extract thing children were once fed.

    As for the workings of light bulbs, I know what you speak of (though you omitted light-emitting diodes). My problem was that "incandescent" is that sort of long foreign word, the meaning of which I wasn't sure of (English language sure likes Classical borrowings), and that in my personal experience, those "ecological" or "energy-saving" bulbs are more expensive when you buy them and hardly better when it comes to fizzling out, perhaps I was just that unlucky (edit: and the folks who push for "ecologic" tend to disregard whatever mercury or stuff is used in their production). Also, tungsten bulb's light has a more pleasant colour. Typical fluorescent reminds me of hospital lighting.

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