General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

fourteenwings

recognition of Palestinian statehood

The funny thing is; what exactly is being recognized? Which part? A "country" that is in two very separate halves? Which government? Hamas? Fatah? I mean, even South Sudan had a decent mock-up of a government before it all imploded.

Anyways, I hold many opinions that are currently and historically unacceptable so I don't super mind whatever is mainstream in ten years (which I'll probably also oppose anyways).

"Everything"

Why are Jewish caricatures always so adorable (or is that a parody)?

There's a lot of inclusivity in the hater community

Well, I'm still pretty sure if you asked them outright if they supported a Jewish state they would say no (unless it was to 'send them back wherever they came from', which would just be a sarcastic response anyways).

glennmagusharvey

fourteenwings wrote: »

clear the land of Palestinians

I don't think that's what Zionism is.

Zionism is the movement for the self-determination and statehood for the Jewish people in their ancestral homeland, the land of Israel.

Zionists believe in and support the right of the democratic State of Israel to exist as a Jewish homeland. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. Being a Zionist is distinct from supporting the policies of the government of Israel.

I purposefully avoided using the term "Zionist" in order to be more specific. That term has something of a fraught and messy definition depending on who's using it.

The funny thing is; what exactly is being recognized? Which part? A "country" that is in two very separate halves? Which government? Hamas? Fatah? I mean, even South Sudan had a decent mock-up of a government before it all imploded.

I'd like to note that Palestinians held more of that territory in the past, and Israel actually took some of that territory well after it was established as a country. Palestinians didn't simply only ever have these tiny and increasingly fragmented bits of the territory.

And there's ongoing efforts by Israeli settlers, with the backing of the government in many cases, to further disintegrate (in the "break into less continguous pieces" sense) the West Bank area with their own settlements.

As douchey as its extremist enemies are, Israel is certainly not without sin in the current conflict. Now, just because people did bad things in the past doesn't mean things can't be resolved peacefully today, but there's also the obnoxious right-wing assholes heading the Israeli government right now and doing things like looking the other way or outright endorsing the land-grabbing settlers; such extremism fuels the fires of conflict and ironically fuels the relevance of extremists on the other side like Hamas.

fourteenwings

This feels like it's getting out of hand, yet again, so I'm going to stop.

catch_the_sun

Before I forget again, have some more TheJuiceMedia:

catch_the_sun

catch_the_sun

Also, um.... https://x.com/anpaure/status/1806820954196025741?t=I7a5AH6zUZGzQtGVWn4A0g&s=19

https://m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/indian-teen-who-faked-fathers-death-for-full-scholarship-gets-deported-from-us/articleshow/111348944.cms

I don't know how to react to this except a flat what, lol.

Stormtroper

You'd think the fake university documents would be his undoing, not his father's non-death. Or maybe I'm underestimating the scholarship staff's detective skills.

Guy missed the most important part of crime life: quit while you're ahead! Though tbf he probably would've gotten caught anyways if he didn't actually start studying what was expected of him.

fourteenwings

quit while you're ahead

Also don't post about your endeavors on reddit maybe...?

fourteenwings

Let's take a moment to appreciate the absolute bloodbath faced by the Conservative party in the UK last night.

glennmagusharvey

pwned

Stormtroper

me rn:

fourteenwings

How is it even possible that Season 60 of American Election has been even more insane than season 59??

lrdgck

I'm waiting for first meme compilations.

Stormtroper

I haven't come upon nearly as many as I thought I would, but I did find some good ones:

glennmagusharvey

FYI the "donated $15 to ActBlue" is actually a 60-something-year-old Democrat in Pittsburgh with the same name lol

still funny on the chart though

lrdgck

hey @Stormtroper you're gonna tell us tomorrow's news aren't you

Stormtroper

I will, but for the record I'm not looking forward to it.

glennmagusharvey

They say a week is a lifetime in politics.

Well, the past month a lot has certainly happened in the U.S..

...and we're not even done with the month yet.

lrdgck

Yep, I've had a week-long break, and you guys still managed to get to me. Politics filtered down to a meme site I chose to browse for a few minutes.

glennmagusharvey

The wildest thing is that I actually have two top guesses and they both start with the letters "co-".

Stormtroper

There were less people than I expected at the voting polls, and the lines also moved much more slowly than I remember. Also it feels like the average voter's age went up. All this is affected by the fact that I'm voted in a different place than before, but eh.

AFAIK nothing of import has happened yet, but that might be because I forgot how to follow politics.

Stormtroper

Officially, officialism won. Also a guy was killed in Táchira, apparently by state terrorists.

glennmagusharvey

I saw that one broadcast showed that, uh, the ripe plantain got 51.2%, someone else got 44.2%, and three other parties each got 4.6%, producing a vote total of over 100%.

edit: appears to be teleSUR.

Stormtroper

That picture has been making rounds, but FWIW that 4.6% was likely intended as an "others" that was incorrectly assigned (as opposed to distributed) to other candidates/cards. (51.2%, 44.2% and 4.6% add to 100%.)

Edit: Clarity.

glennmagusharvey

oh, fair enough i guess

doesn't make the mess any better but i guess that does explain that one image

lrdgck

Sorry for not replying earlier. I've been observing the news, but I should've been here since I asked you.

Anyway, I guess I let myself be too optimistic. Sorry guys.

Stormtroper

You aren't the only one, there's a lot of feelings of dash hopes around. Though in the end I suppose it was inevitable.

Anyhows, there's been lots of protests around, people are tearing down Chávez statues. Apparently there are way more of these things out there than I thought, the only one I knew about was the one that needed police protection to not be destroyed. I wonder if it's still around.

lrdgck

Apparently there are way more of these things out there than I thought

TBH I'm surprised you're surprised, the only thing that's better for a monument sculptor than a Dear Leader is a Dear Leader who's dead and can be turned into an object of worship by his successor.

Fug, guys, I hope you do better than Belarusians, those folks had the same thing as you have now back in 2020. At least you don't share a border with Russia, not that it helped you much so far.

Also: I just found you guys already get the cool photos. Pity about the reason though.

fourteenwings

Remember when Belarus purposefully bombed Eurovision because their act was anti-establishment and replaced them with the worst folk band ever?

I certainly do not remember ever defending that decision.

The (original) song was epic though.

fourteenwings

The man who shot Ronald Reagan was recently on CNN to talk about how shooting presidents is bad.

No jokes.