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Some of the conflict mechanics on some shows.
Like, the way stuff is done and settled on some shows and movies and the like are either needlessly complicated, or they tend to get in the way of natural story progression.
Take Mirai Nikki, for example. I honestly think the show would have been better off without the future telling diaries and the like. Mostly because I think the crazy characters theirin would have carried the story on their own. The way Mirai Nikki progressed through the second half, its as if the author wrote himself into a corner halfway and had to make up more world building mechanics.
And this is just me personally, but the time travel stuff is the last thing i care about whenever I watch Donnie Darko.
... Why are all these time related?
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Probably because time manipulation is really something that we can only speculate about, and so it's really hard for any writer to make it sensible, or write in a way where it doesn't just BS the writer out of a corner. Or something like that. That's probably a crass way of putting it, but you know what I mean.
To be fair, that's pretty fun. (Not that I exactly liked Mirai Nikki, in particular, for a reason I've given a few times already)
Time travel is always hard to do.
It is basically impossible to have time travel in any form that doesn't make a plot hole.
I didn't say "not good". I said "doesn't make a plot hole."
No time travel, no psychotic Gasai Yuno and everyone would have died in the school bombing.
I really dig the time travel stuff in Mirai Nikki, no surprise, but I think it was a really creative twist that fit in the world that had been established.
No, I'm wrong, Every kid but Yukiteru would have died at the school bombing, he instead would have died in the construction site.
I consider a paradox to be a plot hole.
Then you are a fool, and may God in all his kindness and grace and by all the hosts of heaven; may they have mercy upon you.
How is a Paradox a plot hole?
That's because there can't be two Medics at the same time if they're both the same person.
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
Sorry to go all definition on you, but based on this, I'd say a paradox, which time travel inevitably creates, would be a plot hole. Not that that is a bad thing, as I already said. But it is a thing.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it, either. I mean, out of the nine things Alk listed, I only watched Samurai Jack and can barely remember it, but if the paradox is supported by the story, and the possibility of a paradox is sufficiently explained or implied, then no, it doesn't count as a plot hole.
Early Mirai Nikki was just fine. I think halfway or on the last quarter of Mirai Nikki is where they started going all kinds of WTF (the black hole spheres destroying the current world, the world [and tournament by proxy] having been almost?rebooted a third time and Yukiteru having to save another Yuno etc. They kinda HAD TO throw Uryuu Minene into the fray at that point so that she can rerail the story into something less unreadable.)
For about four episodes, before we got the Oracle's backstory. Oh, wait, you mean in terms of paradox, don't you?
I mean in terms of "no one's pulling anything out of their ass and the fights are reasonably one upped and strategised in consideration with the way the universe has been established."
Fair enough, I'll not dispute that.
>the black hole spheres destroying the current world,
You do realize that the very premise of the story is that they need a new god or the world will end and that those black holes are a symbol of that
>the world [and tournament by proxy] having been almost?
They laid out the possibility long ago. There's an entire chapter dedicated to the possibility of alternate timelines even
>Yukiteru having to save another Yuno etc
This is sounding a lot less like 'this story is poorly told' and more like 'I don't like time travel stories.
>They kinda HAD TO throw Uryuu Minene
This is also hinted at well ahead of time.
I'm not going to pretend Mirai Nikki is perfect but nothing you've complained about actually creates a plot hole of any kind or even constitutes an ass pull.
Yeah.
Looks like it's time to watch it again
It actually gains a lot from a second viewing, believe it or not.
Sorry, if that sounded overly catty by the way. I've kind of been having a bad day.
I've seen 4 of the things you listed Alk.
Mirai Nikki always reminded me of Death Note, but with the best yandere ever made.
Yeah welp, one sentences posts that don't elaborate fuck all about what you are trying to say makes for a difficult conversation. Then again, you have been intentionally dense and difficult before in the past, so who knows.
"A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot,"
This is factually wrong. Time paradoxes and time loops are a result of the flow of logical conclusions.
"...or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot."
Again, information is never withheld regarding this, and thus is also wrong.
"These include such things as...illogical or impossible events,"
Again, flow of logic.
"...events happening for no apparent reason,"
Ditto, etcetera, you know how it is.