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Those times where people ignore whatever you say in response and just try to...

edited 2012-09-27 23:38:33 in General
Tableflipper

...force you into following their advice, even if you have several personal experiences where said advice doesn't work, and talk as if they have god-given infallible wisdom or something.


like, people


if you don't want me to start ridiculing you at any point you do anything whatsoever that's against your own advice


don't try to force it on me without even thinking of what situation it's even being applied to

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  • I'm a damn twisted person

    if you don't want me to start ridiculing you at any point you do anything whatsoever that's against your own advice



    Welp you heard it people. If you ever fail to live up to your standards, don't ever bother giving advice or talking to people in general.

  • given how the advice itself is bad


    sure, lets go with that

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I would think that giving bad advice is the problem in itself, and not related to whether the person giving the advice lives up to their own standards or not.

  • edited 2012-09-28 03:58:35
    Tableflipper

    It has more to do with how the advice is presented as some sort of ultimate solution that they refuse to acknowledge any sort of exception or something for.


    Thus, if someone is going to constantly tell someone on repeat to use some action and insult them continuously for not doing so, I have zero personal reasons not to strike at them whenever they do not use this supposed ultimate solution themselves.


    I'd certainly like to see those people try to always use that ultimate solution and end up getting killed though.

  • If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    I have zero personal reasons not to strike at them whenever they do not use this supposed ultimate solution themselves.



    Well, apart from, you know, not striking at people in general because it's a bad idea and only results in bad blood and anger. Then again, what do I know?



    I'd certainly like to see those people try to always use that ultimate solution and end up getting killed though.



    This statement kind of bothers me.

  • edited 2012-09-28 03:41:12
    Yeah, it's not right to wish death on someone.

    Understandable, but not right.
  • edited 2012-09-28 03:43:42
    Tableflipper

    ^^Don't most people like seeing others they don't like obtain some sort of bad consequence for their stupid actions?

    And yeah, that's not a personal reason for me. Since I tend to feel even worse if I don't say what I feel like saying, i'd rather increase the mutual hate level further. Sometimes it even makes them go away to avoid me, which feels nice. 


    ^I never did get why there were countless amounts of revenge fantasy fictions with those sort of morals circulating in society.

  • edited 2012-09-28 03:46:27
    If you must eat a phoenix, boil it, do not roast it. This only encourages their mischievous habits.

    Don't most people like seeing others they don't like obtain some sort of bad consequence for their actions?



    A bad consequence, yes, but that is a very vindictive feeling and not something that is often encouraged. Also, death is a very serious consequence and not something that should be hoped for, at all.

  • edited 2012-09-28 03:45:49
    Because that bitterness, that vindictive hate, that vitriol, is poisonous.

    If nothing else, it hurts yourself.
  • Are we talking about a specific situation here, anyway?

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    I dunno, the whole thing is so vague and generalized it's hard to parse. 

  • edited 2012-09-28 08:42:59
    Tableflipper

    ^^ Not necessarily, though it seems to happen most often from people that tell me to intentionally ignore as advice.


    I suppose that, looking back at those cases, it was rather foolish of me to expect someone that is advocating ignorance to listen to responses properly, since, well, that would be not ignoring.



    As an example, there would be someone telling you to ignore whatever is bothering you, treating it as if it doesn't exist.


    And in that same example, the hypothetical situations of where you are in danger or where it is unreasonable to ignore others are presented, and all of them are not even answered properly, since the advice-giver is always assuming his safe and minor issue scenario and using it regardless of new questions, or rather, the new questions are not even looked at, it's as if whatever's saying this to you is a fixed video designed to only rant about what it supposes the subject is rather than a person capable of thinking of why any exceptions may exist.


    The worst times is when a true "strawman viewpoint" shows up, one that does not even exaggerate or alters in some vaguely sensical way, instead choosing to paint someone whatever they prefer, sort of like if there was someone talking about red apples being spoken to as if they were talking about carrots. Well, unless, of course, they are stupid enough to read hours of words about red apples as "carrots", but i'd rather not guess that much further into how the other person may be thinking.

  • I don't even know what we're talking about anymore.

  • Without the parameters of a specific situation, I can read this both as 'people who have an opinion on everything without informing themselves are annoying' and 'I complain, people offer solutions and I dismiss all advice because those require effort'.

  • edited 2012-09-28 14:14:05
    Tableflipper

    Using those kind of words, I would say that what I meant to say was:

    "People who have an opinion on (something) without even thinking of what (something) actually is, that try to guide others to think the same way they do because otherwise the person they are trying to teach is a first-grade dumbass, are annoying"


    For instance, someone gives the advice of "ignoring bullies will solve everything that has to do with bullies", even if, for instance, said bully was crushing your bones with an aluminum baseball bat.


    "Ignore bullies, this solves anything about them"


    "What if they are beating your body with an aluminum baseball bat"


    "Ignore them"


    "What if I can't ignore the pain they are inflicting on me?"


    "Then you are weak for being incapable of ignoring them, you pathetic little shit"


    Something like that is one example. (Well, then again, I suppose that this doesn't necessary mean they don't know what they're talking about, they could sincerely be thinking that suffering long-term pain from getting broken bones from aluminum baseball bat beatings is better than acknowledging the existence of the danger involved and trying to avoid harm from it)


    I complain, people offer shitty solutions, act as if it is some sort of infallable super-solution, and I dismiss such advice because I know that will be wasted effort that just lands me in even worse shit.

  • No rainbow star
    You remind me of Myrm...
  • I'm a damn twisted person

    Are you serious? Does your brain automatically hop to extreme scenarios to recontextualize the stuff people say as inane, or do you do it on purpose?

  • I'm guessing that you're one of those people that like to present your advice as a super-solution instead of just saying "Well that's something else and something else should be done then" in that case.


    My brain automatically hops to "extreme" scenarios because it wasn't all that hard for my flesh and blood body to get into such situations to start with.

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    Yes.  I am the printer jam son of the Whore of Babylon and Ur. When I stutter, the ground quakes. My dialog is the footnotes from the Akashic records. When I speak the world rushes in to fill the silence. Swarms of bees are my tonal inflection, and Africanized killer bees are a nasty accent I've picked up. The words you hear are but a 3 dimensional shadow of the 2 dimensional universe that is my flesh. 


  • Swarms of bees are my tonal inflection



    someone kill this motherfucker right now

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    You cannot kill me. The human race is the cancer of my undying flesh.

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    But if it's undying, if it's got cancer...

  • You can change. You can.

    You can have cancer and not die.


    Ever heard of Lance Armstrong

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    any minute now

  • edited 2012-09-29 01:39:05
    Tableflipper

    Cancer itself is mainly uncontrolled cell growth right?


    That doesn't really sound like a life-threatening issue for something like:



    the printer jam son of the Whore of Babylon and Ur. When I stutter, the ground quakes. My dialog is the footnotes from the Akashic records. When I speak the world rushes in to fill the silence. Swarms of bees are my tonal inflection, and Africanized killer bees are a nasty accent I've picked up. The words you hear are but a 3 dimensional shadow of the 2 dimensional universe that is my flesh. 



    And well, if the cancer is the human race, then it would probably eventually heal over time (that is, humanity will go extinct.)

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    Cancer doesn't die Alex. Cancer cells are just cells that have forgotten how to die. I am made of cancer. 

  • You can change. You can.

    *destroyer of worlds

  • Wait


    But if cancer doesn't die


    Does that mean that the human race on you is immortal

  • One foot in front of the other, every day.

    Yes, but cancer cells replicate in a way that ends up being mutually exclusive with consistently functional life as we know it. 


    Which may be your point here.


    But.


    you know what works really well against cells? fire. click click fwoosh. 

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    The human race is a lie. There is only an immortal time traveling amnesiac shapeshifting alien. His name is Bastion. 

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