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There's a pre-calculus test tomorrow and I'm lost

edited 2011-03-21 21:23:10 in General
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I already asked the homework help thread at TVTropes, but I have a feeling that asking around isn't going to prepare me nearly enough. I might very well be screwed on the test. I also think it's pathetic of me to be lost on something that's merely preparation for calculus.

Why does it have to be the first class of the day? I'm barely awake at that time. Not to mention the teacher has swarmed us with practice problems, many of which seem completely unrelated. >_>
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  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    What are the topics?
  • edited 2011-03-21 21:28:01

    Ugh, Calculus.  :P  Are you having trouble with anything in particular?

    Edit: Ninja'd

  • edited 2011-03-21 21:29:50
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    ^^ The current unit is Analytic Trigonometry. The sections we've done for homework are Linear Trigonometric Equations, Quadratic Trigonometric Equations, and Multiple Angle Trigonometric Equations. But the teacher has sprung a bunch of shit on us that isn't in the notes we took.

    ^ One thing that's definitely getting me right now is dealing with fractions where you're adding a regular number to a trigonometric function. Ex: ". . . prove that the equation is an identity":

    (sin(x) + cos(x)) / (1 - tan^2(x)) = (cos^2(x)) / (cos(x) - sin(x))
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Cross-multiply those fractions.
  • recall:

    You can substitute sin(x) = a, cos(x) = b, and tan(x) = c as if they were regular variables and then it's just algebra

    tan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x)

    x^2 - y^2 = (x + y)(x - y)

    It's all memorization and strategy.

  • Precalculus would be more accurately named "trigonometry" and in some cases is.  It's not a prep/review course.

    For the record 1=cos2(x)+sin2(x)
  • edited 2011-03-21 21:47:58
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    @ Glenn: He wants me to solve the problems by working with only one side. Cross-multiplying is not an option.

    @ Frodo: I'll try to apply that to some problems, but at this point I'm overwhelmed. I partly made the IJBM because I'm on the verge of giving up. But I'm getting help, which I should have done a lot sooner, and I might have a chance after tonight.

    @ Deboss: We've been working on stuff besides trigonometry. And I'm well aware that 1 = sin^2(x) + cos^2(x). I at least know that much.
  • God damn, I'm not looking as foward to this class as I was before....
  • edited 2011-03-21 21:52:51

    ^^Focus on the problems that you think you can get and leave the others until you're done with the "easy" problems.  Then take the test to your tutor when you get it back.  That should help.

    Sometimes you have to have a bad semester and retake something and then you get caught back up because you start to understand the material again.

  • edited 2011-03-21 21:56:55
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    ^^ You should see what Calculus students do. This is basically just trigonometry.

    ^ I always get the easy problems out of the way first. And I don't have a tutor. And if I do poorly on this test, my mom will kill me, as that will likely result in a C, which will be the first that I've ever gotten. I've been on Honor Roll for my entire high school career, and if I let that slide she'll be pissed.
  • Well, I am wanting to take this class--I'm rather good in the mathematics. 

    But damn, that looks difficult.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:02:59
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    I like math . . . when it's adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, or basic algebra (for the record, I've earned a reputation as a math whiz at school because I can do double-digit by double-digit multiplication in my head in a little over ten seconds, if that). Trigonometry's just . . . no.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:03:06
    ^^^Tell your mom you need a tutor.  And how worried you are.  If she's like my mom she won't believe you, but it will help when she sees the C.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Solve it only by manipulating one side?

    ...that's just bull.  Gimme a moment to work out a sequence of mathematical steps that will follow that bull of a rule and still prove it.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:16:12
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    -solves problem through cross-multiplication- . . . (comment removed because he's actually pretty nice and doesn't deserve to be talked about like that), that was way easier. But he says it's because, by manipulating both sides, one is assuming that both sides are, in fact, equal from the get-go.

    Ooh, here's a good one /sarcasm mode: "(sin^3(y) - cos^3(y)) / (sin(y) - cos(y)) = sin(y)cos(y) + 1"
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:13:46

    ^correct.

    It's not that bad though

    (sin(x) + cos(x)) / (1 - tan^2(x)) =
    (sin(x) + cos(x)) / (1 - sin^2(x) / cos^2(x)) =
    (sin(x) + cos(x)) / (cos^2(x) / cos^2(x) - sin^2(x) / cos^2(x)) =
    (sin(x) + cos(x)) / ((cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)) / cos^2(x)) =
    ((sin(x) + cos(x)) * cos^2(x)) / (((cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)) / cos^2(x)) * cos^2(x)) =
    ((sin(x) + cos(x)) * cos^2(x)) / ((cos^2(x) - sin^2(x)) =
    ((sin(x) + cos(x)) * cos^2(x)) / ((cos(x) + sin(x))(cos(x) - sin(x))) =
    (((sin(x) + cos(x)) / ((sin(x) + cos(x))) * cos^2(x)) / (((cos(x) + sin(x))(cos(x) - sin(x))) / ((sin(x) + cos(x))) =
    cos^2(x) / (cos(x) - sin(x))

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Well of course you do that, and when they just aren't equal, you've disproven them.

    Now if you HAVE to do it with one side only:

    [ (sin x + cos x) / (1 - tan^2 x) ] * [ (cos x - sin x) / (cos x - sin x) ]

    = (cos^2 x - sin^2 x) / [ (1 - tan^2 x) (cos x - sin x) ]

    = (cos^2 x - sin^2 x) / [ (1 - sin^2 x / cos^2 x) (cos x - sin x) ]

    = (cos^2 x - sin^2 x) / { [ (cos^2 x - sin^2 x) / (cos^2 x) ] (cos x - sin x) }

    = 1 / [ (1 / cos^2 x) (cos x - sin x) ]

    = cos^2 x / (cos x - sin x)
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    HEY YOU NINJA EDITED AND I POSTED MINE FIRST
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:22:25
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Everest: sums and differences of cubes

    ^ ehh it's okay, lol
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    ^ I forgot about those. Thank you. I'm not sure of the likelihood of sums and differences of cubes coming up on the test, but that in itself is scary to me; I have no idea what to expect anymore.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    You shouldn't be forgetting formulas you know from elsewhere. :P
  • These are the times where even I ask when the name of the fucking lord this is gonna be helpful in our lives.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:29:00
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    ^^ -ignoring the indicative smiley- But I'm not good at remembering things . . . especially when I'm learning them between 7:30 and 9:00 A.M.. That's just not right.

    ^ I'm pretty sure calculus has its uses. I just can't, for the life of me, remember what.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:32:30
    (sin^3(y) - cos^3(y)) / (sin(y) - cos(y)) = sin(y)cos(y) + 1
    (sin^2(y)+sin(y)cos(y)+cos^2(y))(sin(y)cos(y))/(sin(y)-cos(y))=
    (1+sin(y)cos(y))(sin(y)cos(y))/(sin(y)-cos(y))=
    1+sin(y)cos(y)=sin(y)cos(y)+1

    ^^ Physics is pretty heavily based on calculus.  And engineering is pretty heavily based on physics.  So that's at least one thing.  That said, learning math for the sake of being able to do math is also a good idea.  Frankly, there's absolutely nothing they teach you in school that is useful in every single possible career a person might have.  That doesn't mean it isn't valuable.
  • edited 2011-03-21 22:31:28
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    ^ Once I got the link from Glenn, that problem was easy. But thank you.
  •  Physics is pretty heavily based on calculus.  And engineering is pretty heavily based on physics

    Okay, that's good enough for me. I love Physics, hell I might even become a Physicist.

    That said, learning math for the sake of being able to do math is also a good idea.

    Agreed.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Chagen: I've learned that it's not so much the formulas themselves, though they definitely have many applications, but it's the brain-practice of solving problems by looking at the pieces and then applying the right tools (such as math formulas) to put them together.

    That skill--general problem-solving--is a skill whose usefulness spans everything from business management to industrial engineering to policy design to writing research papers for class.
  • Calculus is also good for:

    Differentiation: if you know the equation, you can find the slope at any point. Useful for engineering, finance, etc.

    Integration: if you know the equations for the perimeter, you can find the area. Useful for surveying, engineering, planetary physics, aerospace, etc.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Differentiation: Useful for knowing that things don't just change, the way they change also changes.

    Integration: Useful for knowing that many, many little pieces can add up to something really freakin' huge.
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