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Feminists co-opting other causes, like racism and LGBT

edited 2012-06-12 17:18:43 in General


I stopped watching the moment she said "usually white and definitely straight male".


Why should I believe that this definitely white and presumably straight woman has any business bringing those up, like she can relate to that struggle in addition to her own? It's presumptuous, I think.

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  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Is what you're saying that if I'm white, I can't think racism against blacks is bad?

  • I clench my fists and yell "anime" towards an uncaring, absent God, and swear solemnly to press my thumbs into Chocolate America's eyeballs until he is blinded, to directly emasculate sporting figures, to beat the shit out of tumblr users with baseball bats, and to quietly appreciate what Waylon Smithers being gay means to me.

    So a completely offhand comment made by a woman about racism means that no women are allowed to talk about racism, ever? Well okay then, suit yourself.

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    I've been told that pure feminism and race issues have fallen out of fashion these days, it's the LGBT that's en vogue. (Correct me if I spelled that wrong.)

  • You didn't miss much. The video does nothing but give a list of movies that star such a character device, ending with a Captain Obvious moral that women are not so monodimensional and that men are not the sole givers of meaning in their lives, delivered in a passive-aggressive tone like this insight is somehow revolutionary, even though some of the movies mentioned are (somewhat failing) deconstructions of the trope itself(500 Days of Summer).


    Would've been better with tracing its history back a tad longer, mention more deconstructions and go more in-depth on the deeper implications(emotions depicted as the domain of expertise of women, f. ex.) of it.


    That said, I don't see the whitey presuming to speak for the experiences of black/queer peeps that OP sees.

  • edited 2012-06-14 03:08:16
    MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    The video is pretty self-righteous and nowhere near as insightful as it thinks it is (but isn't that the story of half the people online with a camera) but like IA said I don't see it co-opting intersectionality like some keyboard warriors do. (often to play oppression olympics)

  • You can change. You can.

    My personal issue with the video bringing up race is simply that the mention of race seems uncalled for in the context that the video is discussing

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    That is true. Giving the benefit of the doubt I'd assume that she's bringing up the domination of white straight cisgendered people in film, but it's tangential at best.


    Also, while all three are things that need more fair representation I don't see straight people ever not dominating the film stratosphere. Non-white people is a different case as other countries become more involved in the entertainment industry.

  • You can change. You can.

    Also, the video misses the point of (500) Days of Summer, which is annoying.


    Anyway, I don't think that we'll see trans* characters becoming leads outside of indie or artistic movies for quite a while. Same with homosexuals, but that I see as somewhat more likely.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    I can see them becoming the leads in more movies (maybe not in our lifetime) but I kind of doubt they'll ever have anywhere near the presence straight/cisgendered people do in media.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Boys don't cry was artistic/indie? I thought it was mainstream, so to speak.

  • You can change. You can.

    I'd say it falls under the purview of "artistic" (As in, the kind of movie the studios make with the intention of garnering critical acclaim) as it was a deliberately attempt at playing for an oscar for Hilary Swank, as I recall. 

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Boys Don't Cry is also one movie.


    Compared to movies that have straight heterosexual romances also known as almost every movie ever.

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Well, if we get more lynched transexuals on the big news it could be made into a franchise...Too grim and bad a joke.

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    That's also a thing. Whenever we have a trans* character in a movie them being trans* defines not only them and the movie. It's nice to see people care about these issues, but you'll never see a trans* person who is also an action hero.


    Okay maybe in Demon Knights but shut up I'm trying to make a point.

  • edited 2012-06-13 00:02:07
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Demon Knights doesn't count; it's exceptional in far too many ways to be used as an example of anything.

  • Wait who in Demon Knights was trans? Was it Ystin?
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Yep. FtM.

  • You can change. You can.

    Is s/he really transgender? What I gathered from Seven Soldiers was that Ystin disguised herself as a male in order to be a knight, not unlike Eowyn in LOTR.


    Or is this something that they specify on Demon Knights?

  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    Hard to say for sure, but if it's supposed to be an actual disguise rather than just an identification, it's a complete failure of a disguise.

  • Yeah in Seven Soldiers Ystin was a girl who wanted to be a knight and did so by dressing as a man.



    Also, don't knock the disguise. Ystin had plenty of bishie knights as her contemporaries (Tristan being just one of them).
  • OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    And in Demon Knights, she clearly has breasts.

  • I guess there being no Camelot means there's no need for a disguise.



    I guess that really might be an identification, then.
  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Well, she does openly insist that she's a man and the context wasn't that of a disguise.

  • You can change. You can.

    In Seven Soldiers or Demon Knights?

  • MORONS! I'VE GOT MORONS ON MY PAYROLL!

    Demon Knights.  I forget the exact context but somebody is basically pointing out she's a girl and she goes. 'I am not! I am a man!'

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    Demon Knights.  I forget the exact context but somebody is basically pointing out she's a girl and she goes. 'I am not! I am a man!'



    Isn't this trying to lie through your teeth to save face?

  • I'm a damn twisted person

    When it's obvious he has breasts?

  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    I said trying, not suceeding.

  • edited 2012-06-13 23:22:09
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    -nevermind-

  • Well, that was quite the derail.
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