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Confusing Science Names.

edited 2012-04-03 09:34:03 in General

So today in biology class I learned about intron and exon sequences in genes.



Introns are the parts of the gene that intervene with gene transcription and are removed before it starts. Exons are the parts that are expressed in the transcribed mRNA.


The problem here is that the exons are the parts included in gene transcription and introns are the ones excluded from it. Seriously, who came up with these names?

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  • But you never had any to begin with.

    Biologists, one assumes.

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    From what I remember of my biology classes, introns are on the inside of a gene (in- is a Latin prefix for inside) and exons are on the outside (ex- means outside). I may be wrong, though.

  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    Cations and anions. Cations gather at the cathode, which is negative, thus cations are positive.

  • Not that hard. Opposites attract.


    The one that always got me was positive feedback, which is a bad thing. 

  • Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    Positive feedback isn't always bad.



    See: birth.
  • He who laments and can't let go of the past is forever doomed to solitude.

    The problem here is that the exons are the parts included in gene transcription and introns are the ones excluded from it. Seriously, who came up with these names?



    The problem here is that you are seeing it the wrong way. Think of coding, what the programmer does in the background is "introduce" the code (intron) and what the end user does is see the "expression"(exon) derived from it.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    When you turn on a light, you are closing a circuit.  When you turn off a light, you are opening a circuit.


    It makes sense when you think about the term "closed loop".


    However, that didn't prevent it from being confusing.  Especially since the word for turning something on in Chinese is the same as the word for opening something.

  • No rainbow star

    All those rules for how to name compounds in Chemistry...

  • Give us fire! Give us ruin! Give us our glory!

    ^Have you taken Organic Chemistry?


    Because you haven't SEEN confusing until you've taken Orgo.

  • Yeah, just looking at one of my friends' o-chem homework nearly broke me.

  • edited 2012-04-04 22:07:38
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    But at least orgo names have systematic names, apart from some common names.


    What's worse is biology.  Stuff inevitably gets named after whoever discovered it.  So you get names along the lines of "Jones cells" and "Smith's complex".  All over the fucking place.  There is no sense of order.

  • And then there's taxonomy and the arguments over whether x or y discovered something first, leading to different sources giving them completely different names.

  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-04-04 22:24:08

    Well, you have that sort of thing in math and physics too.  What's even more confusing is when stuff is named after people who didn't discover it (L'Hospital, you cheating ass), or after people whose more notable achievement was something completely different (Newton's Laws?  What about all of calculus?).


  • What's even more confusing is when stuff is named after people who didn't discover it



     


    This is the standard, actually. (If it weren't, too many things would be called after Euler.)


     



    (Newton's Laws?  What about all of calculus?).



     


    Maybe it's because my career is heavier on physics (or Leibniz), but Newton's laws are what first comes to mind when the name comes up.


     


    There's no excuse for Newton's law of cooling, though.

  • I think mathematicians like Leibniz more anyway. Or at least my first year university teacher did.

  • I think mathematicians like Leibniz more anyway. Or at least my first year university teacher did.


    Well, people seem to like his dy/dx notation a whole lot better. I have to agree with them, really.

  • dy/dx tells it like it is. All y' is good for is taking less time to write down.

  • y' isn't even Newton's notation.  Newton's notation was ẏ.

  • a little muffled

    But dy/dx isn't even a fraction.

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    It's been awhile, but don't you treat it as one when solving differential equations?

  • Yeah.  Plus, it can be defined as the limit of a fraction, so the notation at least makes some intuitive sense.

  • No rainbow star

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  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-04-05 17:21:40

    We used dot notation for derivatives like, once ever.  I think it was Lagrangians in classical mechanics.



    but don't you treat it as one when solving differential equations?



    Not only that, but you also do that to cheese some of the trickier integrals, like arc length.  And because the derivative increment carries physical significance as an actual amount when determining the geometry of your elements of integration.

  • Ever the contrarians, engineers do sometimes use dot notation. From the top of my head, power, heat transfer rate, mass flow, volumetric flow (when not using Q, anyway), etc.

  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-04-05 20:42:54

    Ugh.  Don't even get me started on the overlap between engineering and software.  There's relatively little way to know ahead of time whether you'll be using theta or phi as azimuth, or y or z as up.

  • edited 2012-04-06 09:51:25
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    IJBM: "sin^-1 (x)" (for arcsine of x) and "sin^2 (x)" (for sine of x, squared) being used together.


    This is why I write "arcsin".

  • a little muffled

    That's the typical reasoning behind preferring "arcsin". Argument against is, seriously, six-word function names? I used always use "asin" when it wasn't on something I was handing in, but I guess it's too easy to confuse that with some variable a multiplied by sine of whatever.

  • edited 2012-04-06 11:50:59
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human

    It's rather fast to type or even write (in cursive) "arcsin" anyway.  It takes maybe about a second or less longer to write "arcsin" than "sin-1".


    Oh, in my math work, I write variable names in print, and function names in cursive.

  • a little muffled

    I'm not annoyed at it taking a long time to write, I just find it aesthetically unappealing.


    Also I can't cursive lol.

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