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If 120 Days of Sodom was written today and posted on the internet...

MyrmidonMyrmidon
edited 2012-03-25 08:17:58 in Webspace

It would have a lengthy TvTropes page, and people would bitch about said page not being removed.

Think about that. 

Comments

  • lrdgcklrdgck
    "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"

    Wasn't it, to use modern parlance, a trollfic in the first place?

  • MrWMrW

    Disgusting as it was, it was written to be just that to begin with. 

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.

    I thought there was satirical value to it...?

  • MyrmidonMyrmidon

    At one point, one of the Libertines launches into a speech about how the social differences between men and women are purely the result of custom and superstition and women are not inherently lesser than men. So it has that going for it.



    Granted, about five seconds later the character probably sodomized an a pubescent boy sooooooooo

  • PonicalicaPonicalica
    (void)

    I just think it's funny that the thread title lists on both SA and TVT are mostly sci-fi/fantasy stuff, with the occasional more literary work thrown in, as opposed to SA's TVT thread, which is the champion in shining armor for all those books high-schoolers are forced to read in English class.

  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss
    edited 2012-03-25 11:09:09

    That's because Something Awful isn't really that unified a forum and some subforum communities hate others. Different megathreads can attract quite different users even if they are as similar as Fandom Lunacy and TV Tropes.

  • CountryPumpkinCountryPumpkin
    I clench my fists and yell "anime" towards an uncaring, absent God, and swear solemnly to press my thumbs into Chocolate America's eyeballs until he is blinded, to directly emasculate sporting figures, to beat the shit out of tumblr users with baseball bats, and to quietly appreciate what Waylon Smithers being gay means to me.

    I really don't want to misunderstand you, Myrmidon, but are you comparing The 120 Days of Sodom with Internet fanfiction?

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.

    His point is that people bitch too much about works containing a degree of sexuality and tend to forgive this due to arbitrary standards.

  • DonZabuDonZabu
    edited 2012-03-25 20:35:00


  • CountryPumpkinCountryPumpkin
    I clench my fists and yell "anime" towards an uncaring, absent God, and swear solemnly to press my thumbs into Chocolate America's eyeballs until he is blinded, to directly emasculate sporting figures, to beat the shit out of tumblr users with baseball bats, and to quietly appreciate what Waylon Smithers being gay means to me.

    The reason Sodom is more beloved in literary circles is that at least de Sade puts some social criticism in his work, no matter your feelings on the rather egregious sexual torture found within. Stuff like whatever that thing is called where you get off to women being murdered is disgusting because it's obvious that there's no substance to it besides "some people find this arousing." And a work written in the late 1700s isn't going to have the same kind of outside influence and acceptance of terribleness that is gained for sociopathic fanfiction writers, simply because there wasn't an Internet in the 1700s. 

  • StormtroperStormtroper
    edited 2012-03-25 14:39:11

    His point is that people bitch too much about works containing a degree of sexuality and tend to forgive this due to arbitrary standards.



     


    I thought the point was that goons from the TVT thread both ignore that works you can find and read on the internet and are novelty are by their nature more likely to be written about on a wiki, and that having a page for a work does not imply the tropers who wrote it approve of it or what happens within it.


     


    If that's not it, well, that's what I want to bitch about.

  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    "and that having a page for a work does not imply the tropers who wrote it approve of it or what happens within it."


    The trouble is that the whole "celebrating fiction" motive means that even if the original writers were disapproving (Ryona for instance was written to bring attention to the sexist subculture), it naturally attracts creeps who do like that kind of thing (from what I hear, the current state of the Ryona page now).

  • ClockworkUniverseClockworkUniverse
    OOOooooOoOoOOoo, I'm a ghoOooOooOOOost!

    The trouble is that the whole "celebrating fiction" motive means that even if the original writers were disapproving (Ryona for instance was written to bring attention to the sexist subculture), it naturally attracts creeps who do like that kind of thing (from what I hear, the current state of the Ryona page now).



    See, this is why enforcing the "no bashing" rule only works if the "no gushing" rule is equally enforced. The reluctance of TV Tropes to do that is...problematic.

  • ForzareForzare
    Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit in Sightblinder’s eye on the last Day.
    it begins
  • BeeBee
    edited 2012-03-25 17:44:31

    ^ You forgot the Boltman picture.




    and that having a page for a work does not imply the tropers who wrote it approve of it or what happens within it.



    When it starts creeping into 4, 5, 9 subpages, it's a pretty sure sign that that's the case though.

  • NyktosNyktos
    a little muffled

    The reason Sodom is more beloved in literary circles is that at least de Sade puts some social criticism in his work, no matter your feelings on the rather egregious sexual torture found within.


    This sounds quite a bit like the kind of thing fans of a certain manga like to say...

  • DYREDYRE
    edited 2012-03-25 19:54:03

    No it doesn't, stop being silly Nyktos.

  • NyktosNyktos
    a little muffled

    The exact content is different, the attitude of "sure it's child porn but it has other redeeming features so it's okay!" is exactly the same.

  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.

    he is joking, yannow

  • DYREDYRE
    edited 2012-03-25 20:07:16

    Trufax.  Thus the strikeout and general tone.  But I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

  • RedEyedAbyssRedEyedAbyss

    Currently I'm curious as to why the social satire messages needed the sadism since it does come off as the "I read it for the articles" defense.

  • IronweaverIronweaver
    if u do convins fashist akwaint hiz faec w pavment neway jus 2 b sur
    The difference is that de Sade's work actually has some real literary value, unlike, say, Pokegirls.



    That said, "the work is disgusting" is never reason enough to remove a legitimate article (hell, even Wikipedia's got an article for KNJ), but if negativity in articles is forbidden, so should be gushing. Since TV Tropes' purpose is encyclopedic - dedicated to gathering as much objective information as possible, value judgements should be kept out of it, especially when only positivity is allowed.
  • MillerCrossMillerCross
    You can change. You can.

    the thing is, positivity is not allowed in TvT in paper. In practice, on the other hand...

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