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Why is Nanoha so much less popular with the usual anime crowd than with TVTropes?
I've been in two anime clubs that are like "whuh?" when I mention Nanoha. This is in stark contrast to the high concentration of Nanoha fans on TV Tropes. Why is this the case?
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Because TVT is full of otakus who lust after Magical girls?
Pretty much that. As far as general audience goes, anime fans tend to fall into two very distinct categories, and Nanoha will drive off one of them on premise and the other on execution. Niche shows go that way, even if they happen to actually be good.
What are these two categories?
Stereotypical boys and girls.
Oh.
Why didn't I think of that. Duh.
So does that mean that, as a fan of the military tactics aspect of Strikers, I'm triply screwed, in that stereotypical boys don't give a crap about the magical girls, stereotypical girls don't give a crap about the laser battles, and the usual fare of Nanoha fans is instead too obsessed with the yuri shipping anyway?
Fuck.
Yeah, it's in the awkward position where it's actually a good show, but most of the people who've heard of it were drawn there for the wrong reasons so it loses credibility. It'd be like if Cowboy Bebop drew most of its viewership from people staring at Ed's tits.
Anime clubs are primarily attended by people who don't know anything about anime. This is nothing new.
It's a spinoff of a porn game.
Yeah there's that too, and it's not even particularly uncommon for anime. I mean, even if it's not the primary focus by any stretch, it does have that background and puts in gratuitous fanservice. Nowhere near that of a lot of more mainstream anime, but still.
Like, even Enix got its start doing porn. Culture clash 101.
That's because your only contacts with the anime fandom are two anime clubs and TV Tropes. Nanoha is pretty damn popular throughout the internet (in anime related sites and boards, obviously), TV Tropes just happens to be one of those. As DYRE said, anime clubs are usually full with casuals (casuals is the most fitting word I could find, it is in no way meant derisively).
People who're just getting into anime?
Also, I've been meaning to watch it, if only because someone described the latter arcs as "The Dirty Dozen with magical girls" which pretty much translates as "Shojo Thunderbolts"
and if you don't like either of those descriptions then we can't be friends, buddy (Now, whether the show lives up to the expectations that those descriptions bring up is another matter altogether)
People who're just getting into anime <--- 6.5 words
casuals <--- 1 word
^^ I don't have a frame of reference for either of those descriptions, so I can't comment. But I have no real interest in Nanoha.
Also, I honestly can't quite tell whether or not my school's anime club is actually made up of casuals, but it was really funny seeing them collectively blow a gasket upon being informed that Death Note is shonen.
Hey, you said "fitting", not "shortest" or "snappiest". that's called moving the goalposts, my good sir.
Basically, bunch of criminals are offered a full pardon in exchange of their service for a suicide mission.
I don't see why this would surprise anyone unless they're one of those "I only watch mature anime for mature people such as myself" people who feel like shounen and seinen actually mean "bad" and "good" respectively and not, you know, demographics. It's very obviously targeted at teenagers.
I think it's more that they were just incredulous that a series with that premise was aimed at teenagers. For some reason.
I can't describe it, but it has that teenagery feel to it. Anyone know a word to describe that?
Shallow?
I know what he means. There's deliberate attempts to appeal to teenagers there.
Not that it's a bad series--it's not, it's a decent thriller, but it's still quite obvious. And not quite as D33P as some may want to believe.
Not shallow, so much as...the over-the-top attempts to be awesome.
I'll take a potato chip....AND EAT IT!!!!!!!!!
You know, the weird thing about that is that the anime is way more over-the-top than the already over-the-top manga (the potato chip thing being the perfect example), but its version of the last scene is really, really subdued even though changing it in that way completely removes the whole point of the scene.
Man, I'm trying to think of anything in Nanoha that could describe that, and I'm coming up short, unless Hayate and the Wolkenritter count.
I feel like "shallow" is still pretty close, for one word.
Or, maybe, (overly) deliberate? The messages and events were very in-your-face, if I recall correctly (for instance, ^^^, and "Just as planned!"). Sometimes gratingly so.
Nah, it's not really shallow overall -- it's just the presentation.
i don't see how not offering Matsuda a swimming lesson dampens the scene
^^ Yeah, it wasn't the premise that was shallow. It just ended up being too much of a black and white thriller, with just a hint of grey in that the bad guy was the main character, and he was presented in such a way that a teenager with strong moral opinions might align with him (and I don't doubt that the writer intended for that effect).
Hopefully this makes more sense.
Hmm . . . now that I think about it, I'm almost getting Raskolnikovian vibes from Light. Except that Raskolnikov was actually remotely empathetic. . . . Actually, this in itself is a pretty shallow comparison, considering that the two characters take on completely different roles in their respective stories.
I have a zeroplusalpha to kill, then.
Well, a bunch of criminals do get redeemed and work for the TSAB.
However, I honestly can't think of a single thing that resembles a suicide mission over the entire series.
Well, the first season is magical girl premise plus mecha influences and a more mature perspective on drama. Tthe second is the same as the first season except even heavier drama. The third season basically ignores the whole "magical girl" idea (apart from the barebones like, having female mages) and then becomes a conspiracy/political intrigue drama with military action/drama (though this is concentrated in the latter half of the series; the series's first half feels more like cheery military slice-of-life with drama in the background).
There's a lot of drama, but the show also does have a strongly positive/optimistic outlook, on a meta level.
Make of that what you will.
Well, the Precia assault seems pretty suicidal.