Feeling extremely guilty very easily

melonhead · 2011-06-22 23:29:17

Especially over the smallest most minuscule things. Why can't it be easy to discard those kinds of feelings?

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-22 23:29:59

I feel guilty for receiving disability.

melonhead · 2011-06-22 23:34:34

^ What the hell? Why?

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-22 23:38:05

Because in my mind i'm constantly questioning how I earned that money. Wondering who I took it from, the impact it's had, the hands it has been in, the means with which it was acquired, et cetera.

melonhead · 2011-06-22 23:42:24

You need it for a reason. You didn't "take it" from anyone. You didn't necessarily earn it, you are being helped by the government specifically because you are disabled, you don't need to earn it. It's just from tax dollars. It's not taken from anyone.

My mother has cancer and is paralyzed and she can't walk(or work, obviously) which is why she's on disability now. There is a reason for it. It's there to help you. You're on disability for a reason too. You did nothing to feel guilty for.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-22 23:44:31

I'm on disability because i'm legally blind and mildly autistic. Still feels weird like compromising principle the money was taken from people involuntarily and i'm not sure how to feel about that.

melonhead · 2011-06-23 00:02:55

Well, you could say that about anything - the "taken involuntarily" thing. That tax money will be going t o someone else or something else anyway. It's there to help you, though, so that's okay. Wouldn't you be outraged if you weren't helped because you couldn't work? I totally understand where you're coming from though. I guess it's just that I don't think you should feel guilty when you're someone who needs it.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:04:42

right now i'm having trouble finding a job I used to work part time with a fire department and at town hall as a janitor but that fell through a while back.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:12:01

That is exactly what this one meant. You are in trouble and you feel guilty for that? If state is not going to do anything for those in need, why have it at all? If people are to be left without help, then it is true that they've sacrificed too much by agreeing to live in society and would be better of by themselves

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:14:55

That's what i'm saying. I have to be able to stand on my own two feet. I don't feel right taking money from other people against their will. I see the functions of the state as very limited. it's not a war machine, not a Moral Guardian, and not a nanny. I'm incredibly scared of becoming interdependent on the state.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:24:50

I have to be able to stand on my own two feet.

Look, you don;t have to if you can't. It's not because you're lazy, or not trying enough. Do elderly, almost immobile, young and so on deserve to die because they are unable to fend for themselves? You might claim that it's society that makes those people dependent on state, but physical disability is not going anywhere with or without state's interference.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:27:39

It's about principle for me if i'm going to preach liberty I have to strive for independence from the state by all means necessary. I can't very well take advantage of the state in good conciseness andnot call myself a hypocrite.I can't advocate it without examplifying it.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:30:05

That is an admirable quality.

But seriously, what's the point of society then? It might as well not exist

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:31:25

I've been saying that for a long time.

melonhead · 2011-06-23 00:34:34

I quite like this interesting discussion better than my actual whiny topic.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:36:30

thanks.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:44:51

Thanks too (bows)

So, do I understand correctly that you think it would be better for society to not exist and for each person to live on their own? This one is not a fan of society, by the way, tends to be quite quick at pointing it's flaws and thinks that social pressure is the root if not all evil then a great part of it.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:46:05

I also advocate a free market without the itnervention of the state creating dozens of regulations and getting in to every aspect "for your own good". I don't trust them with that. I still hold to a free marekt without the need for state itnervention possibly only with a compremise to prevent monopolies. I don't trust orginizations like the FDA However. too much federal power and they often are incompotent at best and ocrrupt at worst. case in point the FDA Often provides special support for certain medical and food industry through favorable regulation and legislation that often prevents many natural cures and other wonderful things frome ver reaching the market.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:48:57

No regulations on market is also the reason why sweat shops and child labor exist. In places where such things are allowed by law, they thrive

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide this is what happens whe drugs that weren't properly tested are allowed to market.

If FDA is incompetent and corrupt (and this one finds it quite easy to believe), then what should be done is to correct it and install measures to prevent incompetence and corruption (transparency and accountability, most importantly), not get away with it altogether.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:52:34

here's the thing child labor should be allowed but only by the choice of the child if the kid wants a job he should take it but he shouldn't be forced to take the job by anyone. Your assumign the worst of a free market by the time child labor laws were enacted here the market had all but abolished child labor on its own. the market is an evolving dynamic force not an evil storm or a slave market.

Nova · 2011-06-23 00:53:21

I'm on disability because i'm legally blind and mildly autistic.

Being visually impaired does not preclude you from working. Neither does autism.

There are blind- that is, blind to the point they literally cannot see, not merely vision impaired- doctors, lawyers, social workers, biologists, chemists, computer technicians, system analysts, teachers, social workers. There is even a special counsel to the President who is blind

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:54:44

yeah and that is why I feel guilty being on disability.

Nova · 2011-06-23 00:55:29

Then go find a job.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 00:56:04

I'm working on it! Right now i'm explorign two options. services for the blind could set me up with a few different jobs. still not ideal but it seems to be my only option. I could work at the library or at my friends computer shop.

Nova · 2011-06-23 00:56:56

Then stop feeling guilty. You are working towards contributing to society; and until then, society will support you in your search.

Beholderess · 2011-06-23 00:59:04

here's the thing child labor should be allowed but only by the choice of
the child if the kid wants a job he should take it but he shouldn't be
forced to take the job by anyone.

Oh, but they do agree on the job. Because they have no other means to survive, nor is anyone inclined to pay them more. And why would anyone be, if people are desperate enough? Technically they have a free choice, but "free market" means that this choice is "to work in sweatshop or go die". Slaves have similar choices, heh. To work for their master or be killed.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 01:02:07

I shouldn't feel guilty about gettign state handouts then? I'm not sure about this. I think another factor may be a difficulty working on a full time basis because my epilepsy causes fatigue issues. Though I havn't tested a full work day yet. I've been working mostly part time jobs for now then I have fall classes coming up. (law and civics sound interesting.). The only reason I feel even slightly less guilty about taking disability aid from the state is because it's a state program and not federal and therefore I think it passes under the tenth amendment. still not sure if i feel comfortable stealing form the other people though.

Nova · 2011-06-23 01:06:44

Yeah, I don't think I'd like my tax money going to someone who is capable of working.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 01:07:48

if youw ere a North Carolina resident I would be inclined to give you back yoru money and apologize.

BlackHumor · 2011-06-23 03:07:16

here's the thing child labor should be allowed but only by the
choice of the child if the kid wants a job he should take it but he
shouldn't be forced to take the job by anyone. Your assumign the worst
of a free market by the time child labor laws were enacted here the
market had all but abolished child labor on its own. the market is an
evolving dynamic force not an evil storm or a slave market.

1. A child isn't old enough to choose this kind of thing.
2. Choices are not made in a vaccum. A market without regulation will create the "choice" between getting a job and starving to death. Taking away that "choice" from children forces the market to behave more kindly.
3. No it hadn't.

Tnu1138 · 2011-06-23 04:31:11

Black Humor you make good points but neither of us have any perticular proof backign up the last issue.

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