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The first woman with a speaking role in the fantasy book I'm reading is a naked prostitute
And people call fantasy sexist!
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Is this connected to Frank Miller by any chance?
Sadly, no.
Is this The Way of Shadows by Brent Weeks?
Because Momma K's actually pretty awesome.
No, it's The Darkness That Comes Before by R. Scott Bakker.
Ah, never read it.
And come to think of it, Momma K's fully clothed in her first appearance.
And she's a hell of a lot more than just a prostitute anyway.
http://requireshate.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/r-scott-bakker-prince-of-misogyny/
Articles and comments like this actually got me interested, in a weird way. It was either this, or praise. It made me want to check the book out myself.
Why do fantasy writers seem so obsessed with rape?
I have no idea.
There's been no rape, so far, so there's at least that.
is he being serious or
what
In the context of "backed up by a power structure that reinforces those beliefs," misandry isn't a thing. In the context of "a thing some people believe," it is a thing.
I'm pretty sure he's not.
Nova: Yeah, she's a prostitute-crime-master strategist.
Man, I wish the Night Angel Trilogy got HBO treatment.
>Why do fantasy writers seem so obsessed with rape?
You know, I don't think I've read enough rape in fantasy stories for this to be a thing. I can't even remember one of the top of my head.
Wish I could say the same for superhero comics.
I wonder if I should feel guilty for enjoying the book so far.
You can enjoy something with objectionable material so long as you acknowledge why they're objectionable.
^^^Admittedly, I only know of the controversy surrounding George R.R. Martin and such.
See, now I'm remembering The Wheel of Time. While I love the series, bluh, that bit between Matthew and Tylin.
See Wheel of Time was something where I started the first twenty pages and was like 'Yeah, fuck that.' and I haven't even tried Game of Thrones.
Come to think of it the Mercy Graves series had a rape in it.
And vampires are pretty much always going to have rape imagery so there's that..
Huh. I haven't looked into the series yet, but what was so bad about it?
I enjoy it, though.
I tried Wheel of Time and couldn't get into it, too.
I did like the GRRM books, though.
It has rape in it that isn't acknnowledged as rape, the women are quite misandristic, and it's really, really long considering how little happens in it (13 books, each with something like 800 pages of fairly small text).
Not happening.
I'd consider trying to remember fantasy that Malk and Alex have recommended over the years, but I'm quite enjoying non-fantasy literature recently (Blood Meridian, on top of being easily the most violent book I've ever read, has god-tier prose, in spite of McCarthy's silly stance towards punctuation, and The Shining was pretty good), and I'm shitty enough at being productive as is, without picking up some other trilogy of books.
^ELRIC! ELRICELRICELRIC!
^^^^You're totally allowed to. I just hold to the idea that brevity is the soul of wit. As such, I'm an impatient reader.
While one can certainly make a case for Prince Of Nothing being misogynist (I kind of lean more towards misogynistic world, but I can certainly see how certain parts of it could easily be interpreted as general misogyny on the author's part), the author of that blog comes across as a judgemental asshole, especially in the comments, where his/her main response to any counter-argument is to insult said person's intelligence and insinuate that they are pathetic fanboys who can't think on their own. Not once does he/she seem to seriously answer an argument, because he/she has already decided that the books are horrible, without reading much of the series and that anyone who defends them must be equally horrible. So all he/she is really doing is arguing against the strawman of "grimdark world and preentious verbose prose is deep!" that he/she has set up, not bothering to look at any of the actual arguments.
That said, Bakker does come of as a little pretentious and entitled in the comments he/she quotes though.
Um, what is inherently wrong about rape happening in a fictional context? I mean, I'm not saying that we should all rape each other or something, but I don't see how it inherently weakens or cheapens a story...?
Because it's so commonly and improperly abused and while it does not inherently cheapen a story, most of the time it sends up a "shitty writer" flag.
Which is a fair point, but a lot of the rhetoric here seems to go "Ew, it has rape, therefore it's bad" rather than "This is insensitive, badly written" and so on.
Nothing, I just really, really don't want to read about rape. There's a reason I haven't reread more than the last couple of books for quite a while.
Oh, I understand where you come from, but I wasn't referring to you. I was more referring to the other posts that made it seem like blah blah blah all those things i said earlier