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The Forum Unification and Contrariety Kommittee

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  • Our current interface is uninviting right now. It's too, er, vanilla. We don't even have a homepage, or anything to signal what we are about for that matter.

    As for liveblogs, the main problem with TvTropes's system is that it's woefully undersupported. There is no view count or "I'm following" feature, meaning that only comments signal that you're actually reading the thing. And from personal experience, even if you're following it avidly, it is difficult to continuously make comments with more depth than "Alright! Good job!". Also, I remember liveblogs being more popular when they were just something that popped up on the forums every now and then before they got segregated into their own subforum. Something to keep in mind if we go ahead with such a system here, though the fact we aren't media-specific doesn't really encourage liveblogs. Then again, the most popular TvTropes liveblogs are stuff like "Edit Banned" and "Dumb GameFAQs reviews" anyways.

    And on the topic of independence from TvTropes, one of the reasons I decided to leave the forum was because I no longer wished to be associated with the "troper" label. It became too much of a stereotype that I didn't like, yet the wiki constantly reinforces the notion of "troper" identity. Luckily, that kind of connotation has far less power here.

  • edited 2011-07-01 15:26:05
    000
    ...If there was a general off-topic section, we could simply put the liveblogs in there.

    There wouldn't be any liveblog-specific features, but since we're using a prebuilt forum I don't know how viable that would be, period.
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:26:06
    You can change. You can.
    ^^^^ So? What about the people who feel like liveblogging stuff here? What's so bad about that? Mind you, I don't think it'd make this place incredibly independent or even that it would help to that particular goal, but I think it'd be useful. And besides, having your liveblog in the two forums/sites is not exactly impossible. 
  • Likes cheesecake unironically.
    LPs of good things can be pretty good, but generally you're enjoying
    those too much to tear them apart for our enjoyment.


    I'd like to say that seeing them getting torn apart isn't so much fun, but considering that the ones, I read the most, do exactly.

    God, I feel dirty. I need to stop reading the Icycalm and the Bad Reviews LPs.

    Although, it's not necessary to dislike something to mock it's dumbness. I enjoyed Aika R-16, of which I liveblogged the first episode, but that doesn't mean that I didn't notice how stupid it is.

    I don't think K-On is bad


    Since I can't imagine that you could ever like a Moe show, I'm sure this will change when you liveblog it.

    To come back to the original topic some more, personally, I'd be against more independence. At least it would be very likely that I leave IJBM if it becomes completely separated from TV Tropes. I know, that contradicts what I said earlier, that I don't care about the independence thing, but whatever...
  • You can change. You can.
    Why? I mean, why would you come to a forum that is just a rotten amputated arm of what is arguably a better forum?
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:35:32
    000
    better

    IJBM isn't understaffed and has mods who don't delete threads without explanation. IJBM doesn't treat complaining and criticism as something that should be purged. IJBM isn't filled with trolls and assholes who only stay unbanned because they're just subtle enough to escape the mods' eyes.
  • Likes cheesecake unironically.
    If I just knew that...
  • You can change. You can.
    Now, now, I said arguably for a reason, Inkblot. We're not here to discuss TvT's quality as a forum.
  • $80+ per session
    Yeah, I'll just say that I don't think an off-topic section is enough.

    I think what would be best would be a section made for liveblogs, where you can follow them, get notifications when the liveblog is updated, make comments, that kind of thing. Uploading video would be nice too, for obvious reasons.
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:39:11

    "Although, it's not necessary to dislike something to mock it's dumbness. I enjoyed Aika R-16, of which I liveblogged the first episode, but that doesn't mean that I didn't notice how stupid it is."

    Same. What made Cardcaptors a good liveblog subject for me was that it allowed ample opportunity for both gushing and mockery.

    ^Honestly, I think that's more reason to get a proper homepage. If we are going to have more stuff to do, we need to organize it better.

  • I am Dr. Ned who is totally not Dr. Zed in disguise.
    Our current interface is uninviting right now. It's too, er, vanilla. We don't even have a homepage, or anything to signal what we are about for that matter.

    This is an important point.

    We just appear as a forum call IJBM, no reasoning behind nor a splash page to explain.
    We are lacking context.
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:39:50
    000
    Wait, why are you people so eager to have new users?

    I like the community as it is.
  • So? What about the people who feel like liveblogging stuff here? What's so bad about that?
    Nothing, did I claim otherwise?

    Mind you, I don't think it'd make this place incredibly independent or even that it would help to that particular goal
    Again, that's what the thread's about.

    Nobody is stopping anyone from making their liveblogs, all I'm saying is that it's not going to be a strong selling point for the site.
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:42:17
    You can change. You can.
    I personally think that new users wouldn't hurt and would make discussions more interesting. 

    ^Depends on the liveblogs, to be perfectly honest. Of course, I can see what you mean. 
  • edited 2011-07-01 15:42:38
    000
    Look how badly it hurt TVT's forum. Is IJBM really prepared for an explosion in users?
  • $80+ per session
    And I'm saying, Noimporta, is that the main purpose of the liveblogs is not bring a bunch of new people in. It's two main purposes are: Promoting growth as a site, and giving us something fun to do.

    And things like a homepage would be very good too.
  • You can change. You can.
    inb4 Noimporta says: "How is that relevant to the thread, then?"
  • And I'm saying, Noimporta, is that the main purpose of the liveblogs is not bring a bunch of new people in. It's two main purposes are: Promoting growth as a site, and giving us something fun to do.

    OK, then, do you want a medal? I already pointed out why I don't think the former will happen, and as for the latter, just go to the suggestion thread and ask for it.
  • An argument for liveblogs is that this is a catharsis site, and those would be a good outlet for such.

    Which brings up another point. Do we really have a direct, coherent overall purpose? It is crucial that we can define what we are about if we want to attract others.

  • edited 2011-07-01 15:53:17
    000
    We discuss "it". It being the thing that "just bugs" ("bugs" being a euphemism for "bothers") us.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    > But they [them liveblogs] would still be viewed by us.

    I don't know about you, but I rarely if ever read liveblogs of things I haven't myself experienced.

    So count me out of the potential audience pool.

    I'm not too keen on us becoming a liveblogging-centered site for that matter.  How many of y'all want us to become a site whose main focus is liveblogging?

    As I said before, I'm fine with y'all making liveblog threads.  You even get a commenting system along with it.  Why not?
  • $80+ per session
    Cause it's not the same, I guess?
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    I see some decent support for the idea of "make us mean something other than a spinoff of the TVT forum".  However, you'll need to get more people on board for your idea of turning this into a liveblogging site.
  • edited 2011-07-01 17:21:36
    $80+ per session
    Well, there are seven so far. I'm will to go get more. I could even petition if necessary.
  • $80+ per session
    And I am not saying turn it into a liveblogging specific site. It would just be something for us to have, besides just threads. And it's fun.

    Everyone, go to this thread and say whether you agree that there should be a liveblogging section, no liveblogging section, or if you don't care.

  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Except that has "section/category", and that's the difference here.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Another issue to look at is whether you want the liveblogging section to be just something fun for us to do, or whether you want it to be something that attracts new people to the site in significant numbers.
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