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General politics thread (was: General U.S. politics thread)

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  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Honestly, more recent events have only served to prove Fukuyama wrong because he was going on about how liberal democracy tied to market economies were the final political ideal that everyone was drifting towards and if that was the case, there wouldn't be so much populism going around and people drifting towards strongmen (e.g. Erdogan, Orban, Trump, etc.). I think Fukuyama has even gone on record admitting he was a bit naive in that essay somewhere, which, to be fair, published right after the end of the Cold War and everyone being in a bit of celebratory mood, it made sense a bit to feel a bit celebratory.
    So, I read that so I could discuss it without feeling awkward about it; linky's here in case anyone else wants.

    Of recent I have read a bunch of - by which I mean, at least two separate - articles invoking Fukuyama. The gist was that when you read him all these years later, it sounds less triumphal than it did back then, that this end of history meant there is no longer a viable, universal ideological alternative to liberal democracy. Marxism-Leninism fell on its ugly face, nationalisms are at most a matter of national interests, and religious fundamentalism lacks appeal towards those who aren't co-religionists already.

    (He claimed nationalism counts as a competitor to liberal democracy only if it's as developed and ambitious as fascism or Nazism were, national interest or statism alone don't.)

    At the end of the essay, Fukuyama expresses vague hope that history will begin to "move" again... well, feels like it did. (Oh Harambe, had you not...)

    I don't know of Fukuyama's any recent thoughts on the matter, but he said something along the lines of conflicts will happen, so I don't know if stuff like Russia-Ukraine war counts as a shock to this concept or not. But assuming it counts - I'd say it cound be interpreted as one of the first rousings of a new contending idea. The alt-righties are certainly trying hard to convince people their decentralized para-fascisms are the new in-thing, so far only Putin seems to have ever got anywhere near that point, but he had it easy with Russia to work upon. Perhaps armchair leftism of the Internet will cohere into a rejuvenation of socialism in some form, but we'll yet to see that.
  • Perpetually Peckish
  • edited 2025-05-19 18:23:02
    Perpetually Peckish
    By the way, there's a certain set of numbers I keep seeing around and wondering if someone could explain things to this non-American. 8646 and 8647. I get they have something to do with Trump and Biden but why is the 86 there?
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    why is the 86 there?

    *checks wikipedia*

    Huh. Turns out it's not about the part of the legal code dealing with murder. TIL.
  • Perpetually Peckish
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-20/federal-politics-may-20/105311448



    Welp, there goes the right-wing opposition down here. Maybe the Liberals can finally drag themselves back to the centre without the Nationals dragging them even further to the right...
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    With so much going on everywhere else I kind of forgot you guys too have your own politics.
  • edited 2025-05-22 17:59:06
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    By the way, there's a certain set of numbers I keep seeing around and wondering if someone could explain things to this non-American. 8646 and 8647. I get they have something to do with Trump and Biden but why is the 86 there?

    "86" is foodservice slang for removing something, such as cancelling an order or indicating that a menu item is unavailable. From there it became slang for ejecting unruly customers. And from there it became slang for getting rid of assholes, in general.

    I remember seeing "86 43" to indicate displeasure with George W. Bush ("43" since he was the 43rd president of the U.S.). I haven't personally seen these usages in the wild yet lately but presumably by analogy the 47 refers to Donald Trump. (Why 46, I don't know.)

    Wiktionary entry: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/86#English
  • edited 2025-05-22 17:59:01
    Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    Oh, it seems that the "46" comes from the usage of the term during the Biden administration. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_(term) for details.

    Sigh, Vanilla still can't properly include parentheses when parsing URLs.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    I just saw youtube recommend a video on recent history and I've been thinking. @Stormtroper, @fourteenwings, would you say you know of a good under-60min youtube video explaining the last twenty or thirty years of stuff going on where you live? As in, something that you personally would consider a good entry-level stuff, and it's in a language I can understand a video in (which shamefully means English). I'm not promising I'll find time to watch but it'd be good to know.

    (The rest of you guys can join in if you really want to recommend something, too.)
  • Disappointing answer: I can't think of any. I'm sure there's lots of good/memey videos out there but I haven't come upon any.
  • edited 2025-06-01 06:05:42
    Perpetually Peckish
    That's too long a timeframe. I can't think of any that summarizes all that and fit under 60min that's not a meme. Just for a start, anything on this channel would do, I guess:

  • Perpetually Peckish
    It's kinda weird, though. Queensland was the basically the birthplace of our labour movement and now it's more known as one of our more conservative States. Anyone know why rural areas tend to lean toward conservatism? By all respects, it doesn't really make sense...
  • Perpetually Peckish
    Scratch that. This sums it up nicely.



  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    @catch_the_sun: woah, thnx m8. No-context political meme from another country compilations are by far among the best meme compilations.
  • Perpetually Peckish
    Honestly, it gets wilder. There was the time Pauline Hanson (our really right-wing politician) wore a burka to Senate and got tossed out for it. There was the time our then treasurer and future prime minister brought a lump of coal into parliament just to tell us not to be scared of it.

    And...there was probably a lot more stupid stunts I was forgetting but anyway...politics is kinda wild here, lol.
  • I'm getting lots of stuff on my feed about the US navy thing so I'm guessing it is one of those times you guys are wondering what I have to say about some Venezuela thing, so here it is:
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  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    But you know what, I'm interested in opinions on the ground. Are you guys like, having an opinion, like, at least they'll get rid of Maduro, or, at least Maduro ain't an American invasion force, or just kinda meh because it's gonna be a mess anyway?

    (reminds me of a proboscis monkey meme: "when people finally go to Mars, it'll be the same shithole as ever, just in space")
  • edited 2025-09-01 06:38:34
    Not really much to say, only that it's something that happens now and then; the US sends ships near our coasts, our govt. shrieks about it and after a while everyone goes their merry ways. I don't know why this time it's making waves internationally, maybe because of all the other wars going on elsewhere?

    The common joke (and to a non-negligible extent, a genuinely held belief among the most zealous oppositors) is that the US would be doing us a favor if they invaded to get rid of Maduro.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    So:
    • 'twasn't my house that got hit with a drone. (Come to think of it, if it was, I'd have a hard nut to crack, let you guys know right away versus protect what's left of my anonymity.) Although there was a public service announcement to report all suspicious loitering munition activity.
    • looks like this week's Nepal's turn to do the funni. If reddit is to be believed, so far they've set a Hilton on fire, dragged the prime minister virtually naked through the streets, and threw the finance minister into a river. Oh, and set one of these guys' house on fire, too.
    • meanwhile in Bolivian presidential elections:
      Libre (English: Free), is an electoral alliance in Bolivia formed by the Revolutionary Left Front (FRI) and the Social Democratic Movement (MSD)
      Ideology Conservative liberalism[3]
      Political position Right-wing[3]
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    It laughs at the piddly concept of a one-dimensional political ideology scale.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    The thing about Nobel Prize is that sciences tend to go to some scientist who made a genuinely big breakthrough which you're invested in more than in the person behind it, literature to some writer who might be interesting but you've likely never heard about, but Peace is going to make a fuss in some way or another.

    Anyways, they've got a good run for the last few years, which is positive since it means they mostly managed to get out of that Obama-shaped pit they seemingly dug themselves into.
  • Huh, I just learned who the recipient is.

    ngl that seems premature.
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    ...and reddit no longer praises her. Said something positive about Trump or stuff.

    (Last time I saw them change their mind so quickly was when a parliamentarian with Down syndrome turned out to be a right-winger, in an instant she turned from being inspirational into a retard dupe.)

    At least, as long as she's not in power you can pretend she didn't dash your hopes yet.
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    foreign policy is a clusterfuck, and a hilarious one when i'm drunk sleep-deprived enough
  • edited 2025-10-12 20:31:07
    I see what you mean. It's funny seeing people having strong opinions (maybe not that post, but definitely others) on someone they only just now heard about, while you've known them for over two decades.

    (Also something about the US controlling the Nobel Committee.)
  • Perpetually Peckish
    lrdgck wrote: »
    ...and reddit no longer praises her. Said something positive about Trump or stuff.

    (Last time I saw them change their mind so quickly was when a parliamentarian with Down syndrome turned out to be a right-winger, in an instant she turned from being inspirational into a retard dupe.)

    At least, as long as she's not in power you can pretend she didn't dash your hopes yet.

    Honestly, chances were pretty good it was a realpolitik bid due to Trump being anti-Maduro but, as expected of people online, they entirely miss this bit. :D
  • Creature - Florida Dragon Turtle Human
    ideological purists are simply stupid and annoying
  • "you duck spawn, refined creature, you try to be cynical, yokel, but all that comes out of it is that you're a dunce!!!!! you duck plug!"
    Well, on the topic of ideological purists I'll just say that as far as I knew, secretly listening to Radio Free Europe against the buzz of radio jammers has basically become a part of the national mythology, but then I went to Reddit and discovered everyone's like hurr durr cia op.

    More specifically about her, there was that part about citizens' election monitoring these folks are missing. But in the end, there's like only one among us who's fully entitled to an opinion and it looks like he's a bit tired with that, so I'm not pushing.

    Altogether, it's not just the Americas doing the funni. For example, the French are in the process of "see how short a premiership can be" kind of thing. At this point it feels a bit like a fandom shipping where everyone wants France and Yet Another Revolution to just fck already but the showrunners keep teasing us since ca. 2015.
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