Apparently he hates it here, and apparently it takes effort to be polite.

I put all my points in Attack and Speed, so I have no more for politeness.

Can't say I didn't see this coming. Though he'll be one of the few banned/flounced people that I'll actually miss.

in the words of Bill Hicks: "'What a tragedy.' ... What a dick! Fuck him!"

but on a more serious note: I actually liked him as a poster. What turned him into such a punk?

Well, what he said, several times, was that he wasn't willing to go to the effort needed to be civil. Which completely baffles me, but...idunno :/

Please tell me this is a tempban, unless he went further over the line in PMs/had a prior history of warnings. If badly worded grumpiness about the cyclical nature of semantic wank threads is a enough to warrant a permaban, then the pendulum's swinging a tad too much in the other direction.

The dude was constantly rude to everyone for as long as I can remember him being a regular here, and flat-out said that being civil was too much effort on more than one occasion.

The guy was grumpy as fuck, but I did like him as a poster. Still don't think that his level of "uncivility" warranted a permaban.

Meh, I never got that vibe from him because he didn't seem rude at someone in specific as well as cynical and world-weary, which is tiresome but not that offensive. Didn't really like or dislike him, not that that matters.

Ehh, seriously? He might have been grumpy, and might have shown it on untimely occations, but despite his own admissions he never struck me as uncivil. If anything, he just badly worded his complaints (at things and people besides posters). I'll miss him.

This isn't a permaban. Or wasn't intended to be. The mod consensus was weekban for being consistently and underhandedly rude. Whether Lazuli will come back or not is up to him; this might end up being a permaban in practise.

shouldn't have rattled the hugbox.

Good thing he isn't permabanned, he was the only one I could talk about Yume Nikki with.

^^ I'm really tired of hearing that.

And yeah, I think that a weekban is more appropriate in this case. He needed to be called out, but a permaban is too extreme.

Alex is, in fact, making shit up. I'm leaving the site anyway, though, so I have no idea whether that will hold true.

Wait, why are you leaving?

Quoting CU: "Because IJBM is an extremely unpleasant place, and the mod team is largely unwilling to do anything about it."

As he already scrambled his password and logged out: 14:35:32 @ClockworkUniverse | "Because IJBM is an extremely unpleasant place, and the mod team is largely unwilling to do anything about it."

Welp, this whole ordeal went south quickly...

I don't know what CU's going on about; as far as I could tell from the discussion in the backroom thread about Lazuli, favour was given to a weekban.

oh for fucks sake

Come on, guys. Chill your pills. You were all getting along not so long ago.

Bummer. I like CU.

Yeah same here, he's probably my favorite person on IJBM? And what's this talk about IJBM being unpleasant? It's been pretty chill for a while now.

Yeah. What's the matter all of the sudden?

I think we exist outside of the inner tower of hatred.

If it's draining him emotionally in whatever way, it's good he's taking a break(I assume password retrieval stops this from being a permanent flounce).

Hatred is a small tower where there's only one toilet and it's stuck and I'm the one standing outside and I HOLD ALL THE KEYS

Well that's terrible, I really liked CU.

...dafuq keeps happening when I'm not around...?

I never found this place any more unpleasant than say, life in general.

Yeah, me neither.

That said, Lazuli was quite definitely being a jerk, and we do indeed have a rule against being a jerk. As for what action was appropriate, I'm not going to comment on that, because I wasn't around for the mod discussion regarding this.

>cynical and world-weary | Isn't he like 19 or something.

>implying there is no such thing as the jaded teenager

I thought he once mentioned being older than that?

I'm not saying it's not possible for a teenager to be jaded. I'm just saying said jadedness is rarely warranted.

Obnoxious lolicon.

An ill-considered re-entry into the community, all told.

And just when I was stocking up on ponified Chris Hansen.

That was fast. But neither unwarranted nor surprising.

You know, say what you will about Chagen and Draven, but I'm pretty sure they weren't doing it on purpose.

Hey wait, bans show up in Activity again?

Yep. UE fixed it. This is the first ban since.

I'm gonna have to ask UE how he did that; it would be nice if I could get that on HH.

Obvious troll. Bout time.

That took entirely too long for my tastes.

Sorry for dawdling, guys. Just had to make sure I wouldn't do it only to then have the rest of the mod team ream me out for it, like when I tried to ban Myr a little while ago.

^Yesterday had 4 mods telling evilneko to cut it out, with most of IJBM disapproving of her posts. Pretty sure that's about as unanimous as you can get.

>Obvious troll. Not exactly. It's more like a Planet of the Apes situation, or maybe reverse Idiocracy... either way, you get the point.

She didn't last a whole day, we'll survive.

True. I just needed to make sure this wasn't a one-off thing where she shits up threads she made upon re-entry and is then more reserved. I would have liked to ban her yesterday, though.

Freaking finally.

20 hours, of which she was active for maybe three, is too slow? Wow, I'm generally one of the more ban-supportive mods, but you guys are pretty bloodthirsty.

Hey, I'm still not actually sure I'm in favor of this ban. When I asked if she hadn't been banned, it was because I genuinely thought it was so.

She was banned before, because she was spamming somewhat creepy loli pictures, and when told to stop, she posted a (non-loli) hentai picture instead. That probably would have been a permaban today, but that was back when we still hadn't even kicked Chagen out.

^^20? 20?! I was getting mad that she lasted over 2 hours. Not banning her after 20 and acting like it was quick is pretty disgraceful.

You need to either chill, or dial down the ham, dude.

My sincere apologies. From now on, there will be a word filter. Anyone who mentions the word "loli" or any related word will be instantly banned, all of their posts will be deleted, and a missile will be launched at their house.

It's swell that the mods take the time to chat about this shit even if there's a mob forming. Besides, they're in different timezones.

C'mon everyone.

I'm not the only one who was surprised that she was a girl, right? I thought TATMNBN was more or less the domain of, y'know, male creeps.

Well, a woman made it.

I'm glad we can all keep our heads about this, and not flip our shit over nothing.

Looks like I missed out. What happened? I mean, aside from everything?

Aside from everything? Nothing. Anyhow, I was actually in the middle of typing an ultimatum when the ban hit. It was going to say this: (1) IJBM nowadays is mainly for discussions, with limits on wonderposting (unlike the last days of IJBM 1.0), (2) almost everyone here finds her repeated mentions of "loli"s disturbing, because the term is, like it or not, associated with disturbing connotations of pedophilia, and (3) if she would like to discuss anything related to lolis, including any media involving them, she had better do it in an intelligent, thoughtful, non-dismissive manner. I figured that that would be enough to get her to flounce (a.k.a. ragequit) or flameout (a.k.a. go out with a bang, i.e. be egregious enough to force a ban). Or if that didn't work, she'd probably trip up #3 soon enough. Or #2. And if she survived that, then she would have changed enough.

Holy shit formatting fuckup batman.

I didn't see her be overly aggressive with her shit like Chagen and Draven were, but man, she just did not get a fucking grip that no one gave a shit about anything she had to say.

Good fucking riddance.

Eh.

Damn, I always find out late.

And thus did he ascend to a place beyond mere men or mods.

soon enough all shall arrive to vadminhalla

halla halla get godhood

Turns out he was GLORIOUSLeader the whole time.

Is GLORIOUSLeader.

Dammit, ninja'd.

What pumpkin?

That is...actually not surprising in retrospect.

Yeah, we've been speculating for months but only confirmed it today.

We only got it today because I noticed that the two shared the avatar that CP was using most recently.

that...explains a lot

Who the flying fuck is GLORIOUSLeader? I mean, again?

Yeah, what Schitzo said.

I like how he claims not to care about this forum, and yet keeps making sockpuppet accounts.

Wow. This reallysurprised me. I always kinda liked the guy, TBH.

DING DONG BANNU We're running out of fringe viewpoints.

Wow, shit really? Damn he completely fooled me.

How did you guys confirm though, via IP check? I'm asking because this is the second time someone managed to ban evade for months using a sockpuppet.

We suspected based on similar IP locations and general behavior, but didn't know for sure until CP started using an avatar GL had used.

So wait, who was this Glorious Leader person? And wow, that is a douchebag name

went slowly crazy, went on a rant on how we all sucked and then posted a LMGTFY for child porn.

LMGTFY?

"Let me Google that for you". Though honestly, similar IPs and using an avatar that another user used seems a little circumstantial.

What we initially noticed is that they behaved very similarly. Then when we went to check the IP, it actually was very near GL's. This was deemed too circumstantial at the time (that was around two months ago). And THEN he switched to the same avatar. I'd call that a bit too much coincidence.

There was also an anonymous tip that claimed CP was another user. Probably best not to divulge more information about that, but there you go. Personally, I think this is all a bit circumstantial as well, and we might have erred here, but this has been going on for months and new bits of evidence kept on dripping in. More likely than not, CP was a ban-evader, anyway.

Huh, I wasn't expecting this one.

...Anybody else find it funny how GLORIOUSLeader posted a LMGTFY for CP, and CountryPumpkin shortens to CP? I wonder if he did that on purpose?

Not going to complain too loudly here because I doubt he was going to become a valued member of the site or anything, but I'm going on record as still disagreeing with banning people who don't break any actual rules.

My logic for the ban was that he's pretty much just here to appeal his tv tropes ban.

Which IS against the rules.

I'd argue that he disrupted the forum environment by outing himself as something that the VAST majority of the site finds repugnant.

There's also Rule 6a: "This website shall not be construed to be fit for any particular purpose. You will not depend on this website for anything, including (but not limited to) your personal well-being . . ." In other words, he was trying to sway us into accepting that he has an unhealthy mindset, and he's putting too much value in his membership of this place. We don't want to deal with that, and we can't really help him with his issues anyway. Besides, I still have trouble accepting the idea that he was sincerely repentant, given how drastic his change in behavior over the course of that thread was, as well as how he kept placing emphasis on keeping it under wraps, rather than taking it upon himself to evaluate himself if therapists/counselors weren't feasible.

I should also mention that his application reason was about how angry he was that he got banned from TVT and as soon as we accepted him we sent him a pm about the drama importing rule, so it's not like he shouldn't have seen this coming.

There is also the unwritten rule of every forum - "Don't piss off the mods." Or the other users, actually. I really hope the guy gets help, though.

^^, ^ Also good points. I forgot about the bit with his application reason. And as for "don't piss off the mods", that's basically the only good reason we have Rule 0; it's a catch-all so we can get rid of people we don't want around.

Not that we try to lean on the "don't piss off the mods" rule too much.

Wow... that... uh... happened. The fuck.

It was certainly a thing that happened.

Too bad I don't have a stable Internet connection right now. If I did, it wouldn't have happened so thoroughly.

Igh. Vaya con dios, you... thing.

My opinion is the same as Nyktos

Really? Even given that he broke several rules, one of which he was warned could lead to a permaban when we first let him into the site?

Really, all I got before going off was him complaining about his ban which I misread, assuming he was angry for falsely being called a pedophile. Then I came back.

Huh, he did that? Then I'm okay with the ban.

The confusing thing about him was that he was clueless of the idea that revealing such an objectionable thing to a public forum(albeit an obscure one) was an incredibly stupid thing to do. The fact that his apologies seem insincere don't help.

See the thread for more details, but while Draven was an idiot, this was handled badly on part of the IJBM community, too.

It was not handled badly. We were right to be as aggressive as we were. We made a clear ultimatum that his behavior was unacceptable, and booted him because of that. We are not psychologists, we are not to try and help him. We are, however, to get rid of people who disrupt the forum environment by having repugnant opinions or import drama (Draven did both).

The handling of this incident by the general populace was okay up until people started making jokes comparing him to Chagen.

You're right that we're under no obligation to help, Crimson, but there's a difference between not helping and bullying.

^ ...Can you elaborate on that?

Are you talking to me, CA?

The thread itself is the best elaboration. In short, though, some people in the thread chose to post venomous comments that didn't contribute rather than, say, not posting.

I apologize; I did sorta forget how many useless posts were there because they weren't as bad (to me, as a veteran of this forum) as what followed after I showed back up. I was fine with the people who were actually talking to him, but the "Pedophilia is wrong and disgusting" posts were pretty useless.

Honestly, I don't really hold this against anyone in particular, but I think it can only be a good thing to see where this err'd and where we could handle this kind of thing better in the future.

^That about sums it up.

@Everest: I was talking to you, yeah. I asked because the Chagen comparison seemed like a pretty apt one to me, even if he wasn't nearly as bad as Chagen was.

I wouldn't say the comparisons were entirely lacking in basis, but that was the point in the thread where we went from merely shaming him with the hope that he'd seek therapy (or, for some, leave) to unashamedly picking on him.

Gotcha.

Well, for what it's worth, he went more or less right to BTL. There has been what barely qualifies as an interaction between him and Werewolf Militia, but he's only posted in one other thread so far...I have no idea what's going to happen, but I fear it won't be good.

Aaaand our mods banned him very quickly. I was quite impressed.

The ban is permanent, for his behavior in the "Big Bill Hell's Cars" thread; when evaluated in context of his past record, he hasn't improved sufficiently.

...What did he do, if y'all don't mind me asking?

Wut. I don't approve of his behavior in that thread in the least, but a permaban might have been a tad too much.

He insulted Demongodofchaos out of nowhere, but I think this has more to do with his long track record of being obtuse and confusing. Regardless I don't agree with a permaban.

Count me as another "a permaban strikes me as a bit excessive", for what it's worth

If this means anything, Myrm was talking about this on BTL and said that he had a bad day and that he's sorry.

It's less this one thing and more that between his having been banned twice before and being the only user who's ever had to be put in the probation role, he was pretty much on his last chance.

I'm standing by the permaban. INUH pretty much nailed it, and I've grown out of the mindset where I think it's acceptable to post while you're in that sort of mood.

See you around, dood.

Unfortunate, but he had too many chances already. "and being the only user who's ever had to be put in the probation role" Don't forget Chagen (though more like he should have been)

Well, bear in mind that probation just prevents threads from being started. Chagen's problems tended to mostly lie with his coming into some preexisting thread and turning it into a thread about him.

Well that's a shame.

Shame, but he ran out of funny quite a while ago, and seemed troubled in a way that would warrant some time away from fringe philosophers on the net.

Most likely a weekban, for astoundingly unnecessary unpleasantness.

I know you said one week off, but how is that going to affect him much when he just comes and goes every so often? I guess I can't complain about getting rid of him for the moment anyway.

He must just be pulling a prank of us! It's impossible someone could be this mad in April Fools day near me! Yeah I just finished SZS

He isn't on very much, true. But he earned a ban in that short amount of time anyway, so I guess we'll just see what happens.

If he comes back and is immediately acting the same, I guess that means you're right and he needs a permaban. Hopefully he'll get the message though.

Are we seriously banning someone for complaining about AFJs? That seems like a low standard to me, to be perfectly honest.

Nah, it's for this: "Clearly, the people who do this sort of thing should've been beaten more when they were children. Somehow I doubt they'd think their shit was so cute after it got them a few dozen cracks with a leather belt."

Ah, I skimmed that.

So who was that guy.

Some douchebag

And that's putting it lightly.