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Cakman · 2011-11-24 22:27:06

What just happened.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 22:27:38

I... I suddenly feel a great sense of loss within me.

Crimson · 2011-11-24 22:28:30

I didn't know you had an account here...

MadassAlex · 2011-11-24 22:28:42

Like a thousand IJBMers cried out in pain and were silenced.

Or just one, really.

MillerCross · 2011-11-24 22:32:52

AHR made a thread where she passively aggrively complained about Anne

AHR is offended by Everest position on rape fetishism

AHR posts in Angst thread and decides to delete the post. Also, Everest sees how the other thread is going down

AHR then makes two threads, one attacking Everest directly, which caused her ban.

And there we are.

DYRE · 2011-11-24 22:34:35

This whole thing happened hilariously fast.

And really, I'm glad because it means we didn't have several days worth of stupid drama.

Schitzo · 2011-11-24 22:37:09

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Wheeze. Wheeze.

Sorry. Needed to let that out.

Please, continue.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 22:38:43

Well, allow me to defend her by saying the following:

Annebeeche said that AHR was abominable for her fetishes.

AHR did not create the second two at the same time. She made them sequentially.

She made the original thread because she felt like she was being bullied in the TV Tropes thread, which, to be honest, I understad. I felt Annebeeche was out of line, myself. She insinuated that AHR enjoyed incestuous child pornography.

It wasn't the matter of how you feel personally about rape fetishism. It has to do with not telling a person that, because they enjoy sexual roleplay in the privacy of their own home, they are a sick person who needs help.

MillerCross · 2011-11-24 22:41:23

AHR did not create the second two at the same time. She made them sequentially.

I never stated otherwise.

As for the rest, it doesn't matter. Break the rules, you're banned. Simple.

Honestly, it bothers me far more that AHR just couldn't stay calmed down about people disapproving of her for that. She knows it happens, and she has seen it before.

Not like Anne was any better but she's not here and she did not do anything stupid here.

Forzare · 2011-11-24 22:42:22

^^ Well, from what I saw (and only having glanced at the TVT thread), the first thread here was importing drama, which is against the rules and reason in itself to lock a thread, whether she felt bullied there or not. Sucks, but people have been tempbanned just for that before. And it was getting kind of tense and passive aggressive in there.

The second thread was really obviously passive aggressive, as well as a snowclone (against the rules) and I can see pretty much no way that that could have ended well.

The third thread... yeah.

I like AHR, but she does need a little time to cool off, I think.

/notamod

Cakman · 2011-11-24 22:43:02

You seem pretty indignant about this, Juan. I don't mean to say that she did nothing wrong. But you seem to not be understanding the frustration, here.

I don't think she so much broke the rules, though. She sort of told Everest to ban her.

All Nines · 2011-11-24 22:44:09

What Juan said. In the end, an insult over the Internet is nothing to worry about. But people really need to control themselves better, and I'm not afraid to ban people who need to calm down.

^ She also made a personal attack against me for trying to defuse a volatile situation. Don't forget that part.

AnneBeeche · 2011-11-24 22:45:02

Well, glad all of that's behind us.

And I mean behind us.

We've imported as much drama as it is, let's not import some more.

MadassAlex · 2011-11-24 22:45:25

I don't think she so much broke the rules, though.

Drama importation, pointless snowcloning, personal insults.

MillerCross · 2011-11-24 22:47:11

We've imported as much drama as it is, let's not import some more.

This situation happened here. Pretending it did not happen here just because it happened there is wrong, imo.

You seem pretty indignant about this, Juan. I don't mean to say that she did nothing wrong. But you seem to not be understanding the frustration, here.

I expect this kind of attitudee from idiots and people who don't know how to handle themselves in front of disapproval.

AHR is not such a person. Or she wasn't in my book until today.

AnneBeeche · 2011-11-24 22:49:08

I thought I saw another argument brewing, so I felt I needed to say that.

Crimson · 2011-11-24 22:52:10

Well this is a fine way to end a Thanksgiving.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 22:52:45

@Madass Ah, true. I see your point.

Ah. Hello Anne. Watch out. I'm a spooky Abomination, too. I might get germs on you.

I am indeed the tv tropes thread was locked the way it did. It ended well:

Madruga:

Ok, that's it.

This thread has officially crossed the line into personal attacks and judgments leveled at individual tropers. I had hoped that it wouldn't. Silly me.

Just as a note: Saying "I don't like this" is not a personal attack. Saying "I find this deeply disturbintg" is not a personal attack. Saying "You are sick if this turns you on, and you should get help" or "People who like this sort of thing are disgusting, and if you like it I think you are disgusting, even though I know nothing else about you." are personal attacks.

Strawmanning someone else's position on rape porn into "they support incestuous child rape" is definitely a personal attack.

Locking it up. Don't try to restart it.

MillerCross · 2011-11-24 22:54:18

Wouldn't be IJBM if we didn't have drama on a holiday.

Regardless, I know there's not much else I can do here, but if you're willing to send her a meessage, Cakman, tell her that I do sympathize, but that shee needs to understand that not many people are going to be reasonable abouut such a thing and that such is life.And what does it matter, whether Everest, Neo_Crimson or Anne approve of what she likes, provided she doesn't hurt people.

That's my take on it, at least.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 23:00:44

But that's just the point, Juan- She doesn't need them to like it. She doesn't care if they like it or not. What she was reacting to was the outright statement that, because she enjoyed something, she was an abomination. That is not something you should be saying on a message board like this. Or TV Tropes, rather.

Consider it this way: What if Annebeeche had made a thread about being having gay characters or gay sex in fiction? And cited a gay porn story as an example? And then someone who was gay had a problem with it, and was told that, because they were gay, they were an abomination? Would you tell them that they need to move on?

I'm not saying what AHR did was right. God no. She lost her temper and did something stupid. But the lack of understanding is... Troubling.

(No need for multiple posts in such a short time interval - Everest)

Forzare · 2011-11-24 23:03:32

I can totally see where she was coming from, but I can't help but feel like if you're exploding because of something someone you've never met, never will meet, and really know nothing about said over the internet, you need to take a step back.

Was what was said wrong? Yes. Is flipping out going to solve anything or have any positive impact on the situation at all? Nope.

^ No, in that situation, I'd say that the gay person should report the thread, ignore Annebeeche, and let a mod deal with it. Getting angry and flipping out at people solves nothing and just makes things worse.

glennmagusharvey · 2011-11-24 23:04:04

IJBM: I am late to the party, again, as usual.

AnneBeeche · 2011-11-24 23:06:11

There's a difference between being into people of the same sex, and being into a thing that hurts and destroys people by its very nature, such as rape.

Let's not start this again, please.

glennmagusharvey · 2011-11-24 23:06:14

[mod voice]

This thread is really on the verge of conclusively being a drama importation.

If you want to discuss this, do it civilly, to figure out where things went wrong, and use this thread to come to agreements and understanding with each other. If you're just going to escalate this thread into an argument, this shit is getting locked.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 23:11:06

Of course. I am not looking to justify AHR's actions. THey were rash. To quote her from AIM:

ahr: (12:07:23 AM) feel free to tell them I had no ill will towards them.

ahr: (12:07:27 AM) I was just taking it out on them

ahr: (12:07:41 AM) since I value my tvt membership over my ijbm2 membership

ahr: (12:07:52 AM) I waited for the thread to get locked in tvt

ahr: (12:08:11 AM) I just had a minor impulsive very confused flip out while I waited

ahr: (12:11:05 AM) I mean, like I said, if I had waited two minutes, none of the ijbm2 stuff would have happened

And Annebeeche, there is no difference from a sexual standpoint. Both are perfectly healthy things as long as they involve two consenting parties. And that is where my stance ends.

MillerCross · 2011-11-24 23:12:27

Great to hear we're her punching bag when she's feeling down.

Cakman · 2011-11-24 23:14:12

ahr: (12:13:22 AM) oh juancarlos.

ahr: (12:13:23 AM) you.

ahr: (12:14:46 AM) Cakman, stop doing that, you're going to get banned for posting me by proxy.

gentlemanorcus · 2011-11-24 23:15:31

Great to hear we're her punching bag when she's feeling down.

If anything, I didn't expect this. I knew AHR was big on not insulting people because of sexual stuff, but, um... wow.

All Nines · 2011-11-24 23:17:18

Perhaps the drama was not so quick to end, after all.

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